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Legal HID light limit?

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I've read the official document law and there is no real number but what is the limit...? 10k? 8k? I recently went to a store to buy a HID kit for my bike I did not want anything that would blind people just something that looked better a little and not so yellowish as the stock, the guy gave me 10k because " it has a slight hint of blue and is bright " as he said I just want to know what you guys think thanks!
 
ajatt said:
I've read the official document law and there is no real number but what is the limit...? 10k? 8k? I recently went to a store to buy a HID kit for my bike I did not want anything that would blind people just something that looked better a little and not so yellowish as the stock, the guy gave me 10k because " it has a slight hint of blue and is bright " as he said I just want to know what you guys think thanks!
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I believe technically all HID's are illegal unless they came stock, but it never gets enforced.

I'm sure an expert will chime in fairly quickly though.
 
If you want HIDs and not to blind people coming, retrofit projectors. Any temp HID will blind on-coming traffic if used with a Halogen housing. Other than that I use 6000k in my car and have 4300k on my bike, personally like the 6000k more, looks pure white from the inside, but at a distance gives them a slight blue tinge. 4300k are a more stock-ish look, and from what Ive been told, put out the most lumens.
 
6000k it is I'm definitely taking back these 10,000k he gave me I knew it was a bad idea sigh... I was thinking 8000k but 6000k will be good
 
jeffjones said:
I believe technically all HID's are illegal unless they came stock, but it never gets enforced.

I'm sure an expert will chime in fairly quickly though.
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Gotta love Mitsu for having a "May contain Halogen, HID or Other headlights" sticker.

It depends on the brand of bulb for some reason, but my 6000k HIDs in the car are pure white when they heat up. The 12000k are very purple. 10000k are too blue and start causing serious problems seeing things at night (just like the purple ones).

You're thinking of wattage as far as brightness. I use 55W low beams and 35W fog lights, anything more would probably start to look like high beams and melt your housing. 35W would probably still be plenty bright as low beams.
 
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The further from 4200 you get either way, you loose light ouput.
That alone would make me choose 4200/4300.
Also, if you aren't retrofitting true HID projectors, you are basically just installing a ricer mod. You aren't taking advantage of the benefits of tru HID, you are just getting pimping blue headlights that scatter and blind other drivers.

IMHO- Do it right or don't do it at all.
 
omnivore said:
The further from 4200 you get either way, you loose light ouput.
That alone would make me choose 4200/4300.
Also, if you aren't retrofitting true HID projectors, you are basically just installing a ricer mod. You aren't taking advantage of the benefits of tru HID, you are just getting pimping blue headlights that scatter and blind other drivers.

IMHO- Do it right or don't do it at all.
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+1. Friend just threw them in to her truck, told her it's pointless without the projectors, and that she will be blinding people without them... Her response was "that's part of the fun".

I plan on throwing them in to my truck, but with a complete new housing with projectors.
 
I was told by a couple people and a HID manufacture that anything over 8000 kelvin is illegal in canada , and I am pretty sure 10,000k is too bright.
 
10,000k is not too bright, its actually dimmer than say 6000k or 4300k (Brightest). They are too blue/purple for them to be legal in Canada. 3000k = Yellow, 4300k = OEM look, 6000k White with slight tinge of blue, 8000k are blueish, and 10,000k and 13,000k are purpleish, with 30,000k being pink I believe. **Colours will also depend on the brand of the HID and Wattage (based on the ones I use at 35W)
 
umesh840 said:
I was told by a couple people and a HID manufacture that anything over 8000 kelvin is illegal in canada , and I am pretty sure 10,000k is too bright.
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Any non stock headlight in Canada is illegal. Period.
 
omnivore said:
Any non stock headlight in Canada is illegal. Period.
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dont seem to have a problem here
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_900596_e.htm
or here (scroll up)
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#BK120

6000k is max ill go, anything above that = too ricey blue.

luckily enough, my car comes with projectors...although theyre designed for halogen, the cut off of my headlight is pretty 'low' when we look at the pattern (say when i get closer to a wall during the night)
never going back to regular halogens... theyve changed my vision at night

so never got flashed for blinding people...
so honestly i suggest anything between 4200k and 6000k for headlights like it was mentionned
 
In the first link you supplied, did you read the part :
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(3) Subsection (1) does not apply if the halogen sealed beam lamp or replaceable halogen bulb,

(a) is connected to a headlamp assembly or installed on a motor vehicle for which it is not designed;

(b) is coated or covered with a coloured material after its manufacture; or

(c) is altered after its manufacture, other than as described in clause (b). O. Reg. 213/03, s. 2.

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Guess what...your HID capsules behind your halogen projector ARE illegal...and they don't properly focus the HID light.
The lens shape for a halogen is nothing like the lens shape for an HID. Putting an HID bulb capsule behind a lens shaped for a halogen bulb will not direct the light properly. Period. If you think in your infinite wisdom that you have figured out a better way than the engineers at Phillips etc who do lights for 1/4 million dollar cars, you're high.
 
daisoman said:
How do you retrofit projectors? Or even buy them?
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You bake the headlight housing, remove the lens, cut the housing to fit a projector housing, and you're good to go. Still, retro fitting, using HIDs, modifying the headlight is still illegal. On bikes like cruisers, you would need to buy a different headlight housing, or lens because stock OEM lens have those lens that diffuses the light to spread evenly.

Most people don't care if they get blind by the HID light glare, the reason is it's only one headlight. Now try doing that to a car and you'll get yourself in trouble..
I didn't retro fit mine, I didn't change the housing, my headlight causes a bit of glare. Riders don't have any problem what so ever. What I also love is the little glare that helps you see much better at night with the signs, especially when you're trying to find a street without GPS, it's very helpful than slowing down and obstructing flowing traffic behind you.

The problem is when you ride in blocking positions, where you are supposed to be in the right lane (obviously..:rolleyes:) you're in the left tire track. Cagers are lower and so are their mirrors. Which means that you're going to blind them straight in the face in their left mirror.

As for colours, there are so much. Blue, purple, green, yellow, I've seen them all on bikes and cagers.
 
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Either you do it yourself or you get someone else to do it for you. Depending on what you want as well as quality, the full set can run you from 200-500 dollars alone for some good projectors and good HID kit. If you just want the projectors, it would be cheaper, but chances are, you will have to return those HID's for D2S or H1 bulbs in this case.

FXR: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=101
Morimoto Mini D2S: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=236
Morimoto Mini H1: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=3181

FXR Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=205
D2S Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=237
H1 Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=227

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Shown above is a picture of my R6 retrofitted with FXR projectors and they are nice and bright at night. Just look up FXR cutoffs and you can see how bright they are at night cause I don't have a cutoff shot.
 
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omnivore said:
In the first link you supplied, did you read the part :
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(3) Subsection (1) does not apply if the halogen sealed beam lamp or replaceable halogen bulb,

(a) is connected to a headlamp assembly or installed on a motor vehicle for which it is not designed;

(b) is coated or covered with a coloured material after its manufacture; or

(c) is altered after its manufacture, other than as described in clause (b). O. Reg. 213/03, s. 2.

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Guess what...your HID capsules behind your halogen projector ARE illegal...and they don't properly focus the HID light.
The lens shape for a halogen is nothing like the lens shape for an HID. Putting an HID bulb capsule behind a lens shaped for a halogen bulb will not direct the light properly. Period. If you think in your infinite wisdom that you have figured out a better way than the engineers at Phillips etc who do lights for 1/4 million dollar cars, you're high.
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Oh of course it doesnt focus it as much, ive compared a whole projector assembly VS hid + lens VS my car (only HID) and there are definite differences in the output. I totally agree with that.

And this law is awesome against vehicles that have reflectors that blind the **** out of everybody in all directions. But like all people driving over the speed limit i use common sense. I test with other people before hand to see if i blind or not (because different models of HIDs will have different results...) and if i dont blind others and i see better. But increasing visibility / safety to me is more important in my case :)

EDITED) Seems its not deemed illegal as per post below
 
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omnivore said:
In the first link you supplied, did you read the part :
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(3) Subsection (1) does not apply if the halogen sealed beam lamp or replaceable halogen bulb,

(a) is connected to a headlamp assembly or installed on a motor vehicle for which it is not designed;

(b) is coated or covered with a coloured material after its manufacture; or

(c) is altered after its manufacture, other than as described in clause (b). O. Reg. 213/03, s. 2.

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Guess what...your HID capsules behind your halogen projector ARE illegal...and they don't properly focus the HID light.
The lens shape for a halogen is nothing like the lens shape for an HID. Putting an HID bulb capsule behind a lens shaped for a halogen bulb will not direct the light properly. Period. If you think in your infinite wisdom that you have figured out a better way than the engineers at Phillips etc who do lights for 1/4 million dollar cars, you're high.
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I take it that this was clause 4.1(3). The subsection (1) that it refers to starts off as follows:

4.1 (1) A headlamp that emits a white light only may be coated or covered with a coloured material if the headlamp, ...

It only relates to the circumstances under which a headlamp may be coated or covered with a coloured material. It doesn't relate to the headlamp itself.
 
robertojiang said:
Either you do it yourself or you get someone else to do it for you. Depending on what you want as well as quality, the full set can run you from 200-500 dollars alone for some good projectors and good HID kit. If you just want the projectors, it would be cheaper, but chances are, you will have to return those HID's for D2S or H1 bulbs in this case.

FXR: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=101
Morimoto Mini D2S: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=236
Morimoto Mini H1: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=3181

FXR Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=205
D2S Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=237
H1 Kit: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=227

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Shown above is a picture of my R6 retrofitted with FXR projectors and they are nice and bright at night. Just look up FXR cutoffs and you can see how bright they are at night cause I don't have a cutoff shot.
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expensive but that looks awesome
 
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