Aznkid2000
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Gah! those things piss me off! Every time i am on st.clair, first one turning left the lights wont turn green! so dam frustrating
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Left turn lights!
- Thread starter Aznkid2000
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There is actually a law, if a red light does not change after a reasonable amount of time, treat the red light as a stop sign and proceed with caution.
No. Only exemption is for emergency vehicles.
Yes its legit.
Just have to practice care due and attention. Make your come to a full and complete stop where your supposed to. Wait for light to turn. If light never turns (id give it 2 min) then proceed with caution. The light could be defective.
If there is traffic I usually just turn right. Then left on a side street. U turn and out.
I was told this fri evening by an off duty opp officer.
that being said id still be hesitant to do so on main roads.
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Just have to practice care due and attention. Make your come to a full and complete stop where your supposed to. Wait for light to turn. If light never turns (id give it 2 min) then proceed with caution. The light could be defective.
If there is traffic I usually just turn right. Then left on a side street. U turn and out.
I was told this fri evening by an off duty opp officer.
that being said id still be hesitant to do so on main roads.
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what ticket would that be? (not sarcasm)
Splash
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While there's actually nothing in the Ontario HTA indicating what to do at an malfunctioning traffic light, the rule of thumb is to treat the intersection as a 4-way stop.
There's 3 things you can do.
1) Run the red light. If a cop sees you, after you explain why you did it he most likely will let you off with a warning. If not, fight it in court and you most probably will win.
2) Turn right and do a u-turn if legal.
3) Get off your bike and press the x-walk button if there's one. Not sure if legal since you are abandoning a running vehicle in a live lane.
Waiting 4min was enough for me.
[video=youtube;irvRdvM5XJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irvRdvM5XJI[/video]
There's 3 things you can do.
1) Run the red light. If a cop sees you, after you explain why you did it he most likely will let you off with a warning. If not, fight it in court and you most probably will win.
2) Turn right and do a u-turn if legal.
3) Get off your bike and press the x-walk button if there's one. Not sure if legal since you are abandoning a running vehicle in a live lane.
Waiting 4min was enough for me.
[video=youtube;irvRdvM5XJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irvRdvM5XJI[/video]
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Splash
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Bike Cop
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First let me qualify the following; I do not recommend driving through any red traffic control signal, anywhere, anytime. This is for information purposes only, and common sense should be used in all situations involving malfunctioning traffic lights.
Read this:
Traffic control signal systems 13. (1) If a traffic control signal system is defective in any way described in subsection (2), the minimum standard is to deploy resources as soon as practicable after becoming aware of the defect to repair the defect or replace the defective component of the traffic control signal system. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (1).
(2) This section applies if a traffic control signal system is defective in any of the following ways:
1. One or more displays show conflicting signal indications.
2. The angle of a traffic control signal or pedestrian control indication has been changed in such a way that the traffic or pedestrian facing it does not have clear visibility of the information conveyed or that it conveys confusing information to traffic or pedestrians facing other directions.
3. A phase required to allow a pedestrian or vehicle to safely travel through an intersection fails to occur.
4. There are phase or cycle timing errors interfering with the ability of a pedestrian or vehicle to safely travel through an intersection.
5. There is a power failure in the traffic control signal system.
6. The traffic control signal system cabinet has been displaced from its proper position.
7. There is a failure of any of the traffic control signal support structures.
8. A signal lamp or a pedestrian control indication is not functioning.
9. Signals are flashing when flashing mode is not a part of the normal signal operation. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (2).
(3) Despite subsection (1) and paragraph 8 of subsection (2), if the posted speed of all approaches to the intersection or location of the non-functioning signal lamp or pedestrian control indication is less than 80 kilometres per hour and the signal that is not functioning is a green or a pedestrian "walk" signal, the minimum standard is to repair or replace the defective component by the end of the next business day. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (3).
(4) In this section and section 14,
"cycle" means a complete sequence of traffic control indications at a location;
"display" means the illuminated and non-illuminated signals facing the traffic;
"indication" has the same meaning as in the Highway Traffic Act;
"phase" means a part of a cycle from the time where one or more traffic directions receive a green indication to the time where one or more different traffic directions receive a green indication;
This is taken from the Municipal Act, which sets out the minimum maintenance standards for traffic control signals. Under this wording, the scenario depicted in the video posted by Splash (which illustrates the problem nicely), is when a phase fails to occur. Under the Municipal Act the traffic control signal is deemed defective. At any other time, when a traffic control signal is defective, we treat it as a four-way stop.
A word of caution, before everyone starts running red lights and quoting the Municipal Act... Obviously driving through red lights is VERY dangerous. And if someone were to watch you do it, you may have to explain your actions to the local police if they stop you. I would wait several minutes to allow the lights to cycle normally. As Splash said, watch the pedestrian countdown to see if your vehicle has been noticed by the control loop in the ashpalt. If after several minutes it has failed to change, you are either in the wrong spot or it isn't calibrated properly to notice when you're sitting there. A prudent driver might also notify the City/Town that the light is malfunctioning as soon as you can.
Mentioned in an earlier post was the problem of leaving your bike in the lane to press the pedestrian button, and whether it was legal to abandon your bike on the roadway, see s. 170(12) for that one - very straight forward, just says that no person shall park or stand a vehicle so as to interfere with traffic or snow removal. Technically it doesn't interfere until the light turns green, but there is a provision under that section for towing.
Read this:
Traffic control signal systems 13. (1) If a traffic control signal system is defective in any way described in subsection (2), the minimum standard is to deploy resources as soon as practicable after becoming aware of the defect to repair the defect or replace the defective component of the traffic control signal system. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (1).
(2) This section applies if a traffic control signal system is defective in any of the following ways:
1. One or more displays show conflicting signal indications.
2. The angle of a traffic control signal or pedestrian control indication has been changed in such a way that the traffic or pedestrian facing it does not have clear visibility of the information conveyed or that it conveys confusing information to traffic or pedestrians facing other directions.
3. A phase required to allow a pedestrian or vehicle to safely travel through an intersection fails to occur.
4. There are phase or cycle timing errors interfering with the ability of a pedestrian or vehicle to safely travel through an intersection.
5. There is a power failure in the traffic control signal system.
6. The traffic control signal system cabinet has been displaced from its proper position.
7. There is a failure of any of the traffic control signal support structures.
8. A signal lamp or a pedestrian control indication is not functioning.
9. Signals are flashing when flashing mode is not a part of the normal signal operation. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (2).
(3) Despite subsection (1) and paragraph 8 of subsection (2), if the posted speed of all approaches to the intersection or location of the non-functioning signal lamp or pedestrian control indication is less than 80 kilometres per hour and the signal that is not functioning is a green or a pedestrian "walk" signal, the minimum standard is to repair or replace the defective component by the end of the next business day. O. Reg. 239/02, s. 13 (3).
(4) In this section and section 14,
"cycle" means a complete sequence of traffic control indications at a location;
"display" means the illuminated and non-illuminated signals facing the traffic;
"indication" has the same meaning as in the Highway Traffic Act;
"phase" means a part of a cycle from the time where one or more traffic directions receive a green indication to the time where one or more different traffic directions receive a green indication;
This is taken from the Municipal Act, which sets out the minimum maintenance standards for traffic control signals. Under this wording, the scenario depicted in the video posted by Splash (which illustrates the problem nicely), is when a phase fails to occur. Under the Municipal Act the traffic control signal is deemed defective. At any other time, when a traffic control signal is defective, we treat it as a four-way stop.
A word of caution, before everyone starts running red lights and quoting the Municipal Act... Obviously driving through red lights is VERY dangerous. And if someone were to watch you do it, you may have to explain your actions to the local police if they stop you. I would wait several minutes to allow the lights to cycle normally. As Splash said, watch the pedestrian countdown to see if your vehicle has been noticed by the control loop in the ashpalt. If after several minutes it has failed to change, you are either in the wrong spot or it isn't calibrated properly to notice when you're sitting there. A prudent driver might also notify the City/Town that the light is malfunctioning as soon as you can.
Mentioned in an earlier post was the problem of leaving your bike in the lane to press the pedestrian button, and whether it was legal to abandon your bike on the roadway, see s. 170(12) for that one - very straight forward, just says that no person shall park or stand a vehicle so as to interfere with traffic or snow removal. Technically it doesn't interfere until the light turns green, but there is a provision under that section for towing.
Splash
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