latest on the new Safety Cert Drive On program...

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OMG. I called the Ontario MTO acting like a motorcyclist that can't find a shop to certify a bike...and THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT!
I was told "motorcycles are not affected by the new program, only Heavy Truck/commercial vehicles"

This is just great.

So I called the DriveOn program people and they are not aware that the MTO are not aware. Un-frickingbelievable.

This is going to be SUCH a Clusterf@*k when the weather breaks. Good luck buying or selling a bike from now on until they find a way out of this.
 
KP51 said:
OMG. I called the Ontario MTO acting like a motorcyclist that can't find a shop to certify a bike...and THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT!
I was told "motorcycles are not affected by the new program, only Heavy Truck/commercial vehicles"

This is just great.

So I called the DriveOn program people and they are not aware that the MTO are not aware. Un-frickingbelievable.

This is going to be SUCH a Clusterf@*k when the weather breaks. Good luck buying or selling a bike from now on until they find a way out of this.
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The least accurate phrase ever uttered:

I'm from the government. I'm here to help!
 
Why would the MTO know where to get a motorcycle certified? They process the registration and follow the requirements.


Need a motorcycle certification, contact a shop that knows motorcycles.
 
nakkers said:
Why would the MTO know where to get a motorcycle certified? They process the registration and follow the requirements.


Need a motorcycle certification, contact a shop that knows motorcycles.
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You're not getting it. The number of shops that will be doing certs from now on is halved. And the price will be doubled or tripled. So good luck
 
nakkers said:
Why would the MTO know where to get a motorcycle certified? They process the registration and follow the requirements.


Need a motorcycle certification, contact a shop that knows motorcycles.
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That's the trouble though. Fewer MC shops will be doing inspections and issuing certifications because it's just not worth the hassle. Bigger places like GP will continue to do them at increase cost, but won't be interested in doing them on what they consider older bikes.

Smaller shops, and those in smaller towns will just stop doing them because it doesn't make financial sense so it will be much harder to access the legally mandated service across the province.
 
KP51 said:
You're not getting it. The number of shops that will be doing certs from now on is halved. And the price will be doubled or tripled. So good luck
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Oh I get it! The number of shops performing them will definitely be less. For those that do, they are likely going to politely decline performing a safety by simply quoting the cost of doing it. Who wants to buy a cheap old bike that will cost hundreds of dollars and likely requires work done to meet the requirements. Driving the cost even higher. Will the shop even want to deal with it? Likely not.

Basically the vintage or old bike class will be deemed worthless.

Less places certifying them and those that do, the cost is prohibitive.
 
nakkers said:
Oh I get it! The number of shops performing them will definitely be less. For those that do, they are likely going to politely decline performing a safety by simply quoting the cost of doing it. Who wants to buy a cheap old bike that will cost hundreds of dollars and likely requires work done to meet the requirements. Driving the cost even higher. Will the shop even want to deal with it? Likely not.

Basically the vintage or old bike class will be deemed worthless.

Less places certifying them and those that do, the cost is prohibitive.
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How does this affect the vintage / antique car market? Would vintage bikes be different?

Way back there was a "Hot rod" class that covered the deuce coupe crowd along with the re-powered stuff. They changed that and everything depended on when you completed the project. If you missed the deadline all you had was undriveable artwork. There were some changes later and I don't know the qualifications now or how this legislation changes things. What are the tolerance limits for the front disk brakes on a 32 Ford?

If you had a 1936 Chevy rod with mid 60's Jaguar suspension do you go by the Chevy manual, the Jaguar manual or the Ford manual because Jag used Ford parts.

Computers give you answers not explanations.
 
Going to the other thread where the tablet is explained everything makes sense as long as you drive a 20 year or newer common stock four wheel vehicle. If they go to annual inspections the slammed, cambered and tinted crowd will be in tears
 
nobbie48 said:
If they go to annual inspections the slammed, cambered and tinted crowd will be in tears
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As they should be. I don't care about personal expression until it blinds me or crashes into me. A bit lowered is one thing, you normally only hurt yourself. Way too many people go full moron and make vehicles that are almost undriveable in the quest for a look.
 
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nobbie48 said:
How does this affect the vintage / antique car market? Would vintage bikes be different?

Way back there was a "Hot rod" class that covered the deuce coupe crowd along with the re-powered stuff. They changed that and everything depended on when you completed the project. If you missed the deadline all you had was undriveable artwork. There were some changes later and I don't know the qualifications now or how this legislation changes things. What are the tolerance limits for the front disk brakes on a 32 Ford?

If you had a 1936 Chevy rod with mid 60's Jaguar suspension do you go by the Chevy manual, the Jaguar manual or the Ford manual because Jag used Ford parts.

Computers give you answers not explanations.
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It's supposed to go by the inspection requirements of the donor car the parts came off:

TK4

Thread 'DriveOn - more news'

Clear as mud.
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Relax said:
It's supposed to go by the inspection requirements of the donor car the parts came off:

TK4

Thread 'DriveOn - more news'

Clear as mud.
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But who decides which vehicle the parts came off? How much knowledge is required? If you told the mechanic, the rear end is from a 38 Ford, is the mechanic supposed to know enough to say it wasn't and it's really from a 69 Ford? That gets ugly really quickly as pictures can prove the mechanic got it wrong. If I was a mechanic, I'm not sure I would touch frankencars (or if I did, price would be crazy).
 
GreyGhost said:
But who decides which vehicle the parts came off? How much knowledge is required? If you told the mechanic, the rear end is from a 38 Ford, is the mechanic supposed to know enough to say it wasn't and it's really from a 69 Ford? That gets ugly really quickly as pictures can prove the mechanic got it wrong. If I was a mechanic, I'm not sure I would touch frankencars (or if I did, price would be crazy).
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IIRC Ford ran mechanical brakes until the late 40s so the law might tell you to use them instead of the far better hydraulic systems.
 
nobbie48 said:
IIRC Ford ran mechanical brakes until the late 40s so the law might tell you to use them instead of the far better hydraulic systems.
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A friend was having trouble getting a vehicle safetied as the stock brake system had been replaced. New brakes were six piston wilwood on rotors the size of the stock wheels all around but no abs so it couldn't pass. No brains were allowed. Check boxes only.
 
GreyGhost said:
A friend was having trouble getting a vehicle safetied as the stock brake system had been replaced. New brakes were six piston wilwood on rotors the size of the stock wheels all around but no abs so it couldn't pass. No brains were allowed. Check boxes only.
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That was one of my biggest concerns: Who is 'one the other end' of the submitted Cert to approve/reject? Are THEY a licensed tech or a 'no gray area' algorithm?!?!
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