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Can you be real? Just for a moment?
How is a rider who filters up to a light and is GONE, as soon as the light turns green, affect the others that were in line?
It's just that selfish ME-FIRST mentality. Obviously you have it too. Been in GTA too long...at the very least.

Im not in the GTA and I'm from a country where filtering is legal. It's not legal here and I can cope with that.
 
You just back-paddled yourself into a corner! What happened to the LCBO lineup? Some case ya had there...LOLOLOLOLOL
You blew it...no credibility. We see saw it, you blew it and you will carry that around in future posts. Forever.

Not a all. If there was a self-checkout line at LCBO, then that would be equal to HOV lane. Get it?
When someone uses self-checkout, folks that choose to wait in cashier line have no reason to be mad at someone checking out faster...

I can't believe I have to explain some of these things...
 
LCBO=Air Conditioning and washrooms
Bike on halted highway= NO AC and NO washroom
So ***** and complain from your AC car, that biker is out there in essentially 50 degree temps. They can pass out, then what?

er, to play devil's advocate


whose choice was it to take the bike? ...yeah the same person whose choice it is to break the law


if its 'too hot' to deal with a traffic jam, perhaps the rider should be a driver instead
 
so they only have a bike and no car
ooh, so they should expect a traffic jam gridlock all the time
I guess some people are special and know when they are about to have a medical issue therefore calling 911 in advance.

do what you got to do to keep you safe
what if that person needed their insulin?
gridlock, 45+ temps, damn straight get off the highway and get some water.

Do ppl prefer the biker pass out int he middle of the hwy? What would that do to traffic?

er, to play devil's advocate


whose choice was it to take the bike? ...yeah the same person whose choice it is to break the law


if its 'too hot' to deal with a traffic jam, perhaps the rider should be a driver instead
 
so they only have a bike and no car
ooh, so they should expect a traffic jam gridlock all the time
I guess some people are special and know when they are about to have a medical issue therefore calling 911 in advance.

do what you got to do to keep you safe
what if that person needed their insulin?
gridlock, 45+ temps, damn straight get off the highway and get some water.

Do ppl prefer the biker pass out int he middle of the hwy? What would that do to traffic?


lol, you know, for some reason I have a hard time believing that those guys filtering through traffic jams or riding the shoulder are in the middle of having a "medical emergency"

pretty sure any one with a medical condition as bad as you're citing would be travelling with insulin or water on them in extreme heat instances... or arranging for alternative transportation that wouldn't involve them breaking the law in the event of a traffic situation

your arguments are paper thin
 
lol, you know, for some reason I have a hard time believing that those guys filtering through traffic jams or riding the shoulder are in the middle of having a "medical emergency"

pretty sure any one with a medical condition as bad as you're citing would be travelling with insulin or water on them in extreme heat instances... or arranging for alternative transportation that wouldn't involve them breaking the law in the event of a traffic situation

your arguments are paper thin

It matters not. It's 50 degrees+ for them on the bike. It's in the best interest for everyone for them to get off the stopped HIGHWAY.
It is their bike, their insurance, their license, their money.
 
Funny...I've been riding all summer too ATGATT and not filtering....never come close to passing out oddly enough. Mind you, I did know beforehand that if traffic comes to a stop that usually applies to me too, but that's fine.
 
Scenario:
You go to LCBO Friday evening before long weekend. It's busy. You get your stuff, go to one of the lines, and wait in line. Some people have few bottles, some have a cart-full.
If random people decide it's ok to jump the line and go straight to register - because they are only buying 1 beer, and they are major alcoholics , they just have to a drink NOW - is that OK? That doesn't inconvenience all the people waiting in line? Not even if 30 alcoholics jump the line while 10 normal people wait?

Terrible analogy. Filtering doesn't slow others down. In fact, lots of bikes filtering speed things up for cars.

It is an anti-social behaviour, it's more than just rude, it's not civilized.

Relative to what? Selfish folk in cars who are annoyed that they're in traffic? Who don't realize that filtering reduces congestion? Filtering is common on Japan and Korea; they aren't civilized?
 
Filtering is not common in most states of the US...are they not civ.......oh wait. You're right.

The poster's point is that where it expressly is not allowed it becomes a de facto piece of uncivilised behaviour due to the prohibition. Plenty of countries/states where filtering is prohibited. The argument goes both ways.
 
Filtering is not common in most states of the US...are they not civ.......oh wait. You're right.

The poster's point is that where it expressly is not allowed it becomes a de facto piece of uncivilised behaviour due to the prohibition. Plenty of countries/states where filtering is prohibited. The argument goes both ways.

I'm saying that civilized is relative and this is an example of something that's not clear cut.
 
The poster's point is that where it expressly is not allowed it becomes a de facto piece of uncivilised behaviour due to the prohibition.

The OP had no point - merely a complaint and an unusual aversion to independent thought. God forbid we should think progressively.
 
Terrible analogy. Filtering doesn't slow others down. In fact, lots of bikes filtering speed things up for cars.

Relative to what? Selfish folk in cars who are annoyed that they're in traffic? Who don't realize that filtering reduces congestion? Filtering is common on Japan and Korea; they aren't civilized?

Terrible analogy. Filtering doesn't slow others down. In fact, lots of bikes filtering speed things up for cars.

And again - I make no distinction; car or bike. Also, you are only thinking in terms of filtering, and forgetting passing on the shoulder part.

If few bikes do it, why shouldn't some cars do it too... If I rip my car's a/c out and disconnect radiator fan, does that give me the right to pass all the dumb folks stuck in traffic, and cruise down emergency lane, all the way home?

If you're in your car, and there's an accident up ahead, just happened... You're stuck in center lane. Meanwhile, there's a steady stream of cars slowly driving down the emergency lane... do you not see how they are making it worse for everyone? And for no other reason but because they feel they are more important/smart/tough (whatever) than everyone else, including you. How can you not see anti-social aspect of this behaviour?

In our current highway act, there's no difference between bikes and cars in regards to this behaviour/infraction. In our current society, there's no difference. You are no better doing that on your bike or in your cage. Japan and Korea? Really...
They also drive on the left in Japan, and that, just like filtering, has nothing to do with their civility.
 
so they only have a bike and no car
ooh, so they should expect a traffic jam gridlock all the time
I guess some people are special and know when they are about to have a medical issue therefore calling 911 in advance.

do what you got to do to keep you safe
what if that person needed their insulin?
gridlock, 45+ temps, damn straight get off the highway and get some water.

Do ppl prefer the biker pass out int he middle of the hwy? What would that do to traffic?

Then such a person should pull over to the side, in the breakdown lane, and use it for the intended purpose; stopping in a relatively safe location. Continuing on, while experiencing some sort of medical emergency, is foolish and dangerous.

But I would posit that this was nothing of the sort but rather just people who selfishly wanted to proceed at a speed greater than that of the surrounding traffic, while abusing a portion of the road that is meant for emergency use only. This isn't about lane splitting nor filtering, but rather about using a portion of the highway that is intended for emergency use only, for a purpose for which it is not intended.
 
And again - I make no distinction; car or bike. Also, you are only thinking in terms of filtering, and forgetting passing on the shoulder part.

If few bikes do it, why shouldn't some cars do it too... If I rip my car's a/c out and disconnect radiator fan, does that give me the right to pass all the dumb folks stuck in traffic, and cruise down emergency lane, all the way home?

If you're in your car, and there's an accident up ahead, just happened... You're stuck in center lane. Meanwhile, there's a steady stream of cars slowly driving down the emergency lane... do you not see how they are making it worse for everyone? And for no other reason but because they feel they are more important/smart/tough (whatever) than everyone else, including you. How can you not see anti-social aspect of this behaviour?.

I'm discussing filtering, not riding on the shoulder.

But even on the shoulder, are you aware that a motorcycle is actually smaller than a car? A bike can maneuver easily out of the way. Cars can't.
 
Then such a person should pull over to the side, in the breakdown lane, and use it for the intended purpose; stopping in a relatively safe location. Continuing on, while experiencing some sort of medical emergency, is foolish and dangerous.

But I would posit that this was nothing of the sort but rather just people who selfishly wanted to proceed at a speed greater than that of the surrounding traffic, while abusing a portion of the road that is meant for emergency use only. This isn't about lane splitting nor filtering, but rather about using a portion of the highway that is intended for emergency use only, for a purpose for which it is not intended.

This was my intention its was not filtering its was using a emergency
 
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Both of them? I guess they'll never eat at that restaurant again.

Point is they were braking a law, that exists for a good reason.

with the justifications on this forum, we should just rename the shoulder to diarrhea lane and I can drive on it in my car too.
 
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