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ktm 2020 duke 200

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anyone else liking this lwt?

ive seen reports it produces 24-25 rwhp

should have no problem keeping up with traffic flow on any road or hwy?

couldnt find it on the ktm canada website

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2020 KTM 200 Duke | First Look Review | Rider Magazine

KTM has just announced a new entry-level addition to the Duke family, the 2020 KTM 200 Duke. Availability in North America is slated for this month. The
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It's the same bike as a 390 except with a smaller engine, and a cheaper price tag.

Not sure what sense it makes in this market, but maybe the cheaper price tag will attract some people.
 
"KTM has stated that the littlest Duke weighs in at an impressive 308.6 pounds, without fuel."
Not bad, that 200 only weighs as much as 2 300cc trials bikes strapped together :LOL:
 
^ Who the heck cares? This isn't a trials bike. You're not commuting to work on a trials bike ...

KTM is playing games if they are quoting the 200 Duke weight without fuel; the 390 Duke has a "wet" weight of about 340 lbs, and the dry weight is not readily found. Fuel capacity is reported as 13.5 litres and that's about 22 lbs right there, suggesting that the 200 weighs about 10 pounds less ... hardly noticeable. And hardly surprising, given that it's the same thing except for the top end of the engine.
 
interesting observation. I didn't realize the bottom end was the same as the 390's. The weight and performance numbers may be suspect, but not a huge concern for what it is.

the 390's had a bit of reputation for being a bit unreliable (deserved or not); it sounds like some engineering work went into making the 200's top end reliable. and combined with a 390 bottom end... could be ktm is looking to reverse the rep the 390 has with this 200.

I hope this 200 draws some new riders. or eccentric old riders ..
 
^ It's relative if you are familiar with the weight of a trials bike, so I guess a trials rider might care Brian,
and in some countries you can indeed commute to work on a truly light-weight little motorcycle.

They shouldn't advertise or review a diminutive bike as light-weight until there is something there to show the manufacturer actually made some effort to make it light-weight. That bike ain't light-weight, it's heavy on the Fe and totally lacks the Al and Ti content to be light-weight.

... they are up-selling the linkless rear suspension :/ um, that ain't an upgrade, that is a manufacturer cost saving.
... they up-sell "ultra-hard, carbon-coated cam followers. KTM states that these features will improve reliability and longevity."
but if they cared about reliability and longevity they would give it roller rockers, not steel riding on steel.


All that said I would still ride one :/ I just wouldn't be overly impressed.
 
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In this particular case ... "cheap" takes priority over "light".

KTM designed the 390-series of bikes with worldwide sale in mind, and there have been 125, 200, and 390 variants since the outset. The 125 is to address learner-bike requirements in areas that limit new riders to 125cc (example: UK). The 200 is to address areas where anything beyond 250cc is a "big bike" and is heavily restricted if not completely prohibited (example: Malaysia, Thailand) (and why they didn't opt for the "full" 250cc allowed is something I have no idea of). The 390 is for the "A2" licensing class in mainland Europe.

Bringing the 200 to North America is essentially a freebie for KTM, assuming they figure they're not stealing 390 sales.

That all the bikes are the same except for the engine probably means certain parts had to be heavier than they needed to be because they had to be strong enough for the biggest version - not that the 390 is a particular barn-burner.
 
boyoboy said:
not a lwt
dang trials guys w helium in their pockets..
lol
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Honda Montesa gets the credit for building a complete 300cc 4-stroke motorcycle that is lighter then most riders.
Lightweight motorcycles are expensive, always have been, always will be. You can't build them out of recycled car bumpers and melted down bicycles.
 
This opens up the old games of big motor, little insurance. Instead of the old 600 in 400 or the old gsxr swaps now you can quite easily ride a 390 insured as a 200 and people have little chance of knowing. I'm not advocating this path but it should be relatively simple (maybe not cost effective to buy the required parts though).
 
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This opens up the old games of big motor, little insurance. Instead of the old 600 in 400 or the old gsxr swaps now you can quite easily ride a 390 insured as a 200 and people have little chance of knowing. I'm not advocating this path but it should be relatively simple (maybe not cost effective to buy the required parts though).
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:unsure: isn't that a tiny bit like insurance fraud, lol ya we don't want to advocate that process too much
 
GreyGhost said:
This opens up the old games of big motor, little insurance. Instead of the old 600 in 400 or the old gsxr swaps now you can quite easily ride a 390 insured as a 200 and people have little chance of knowing. I'm not advocating this path but it should be relatively simple (maybe not cost effective to buy the required parts though).
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don't know how much an insurance difference there wwould be
it would be a huge job to switch over to a 390 motor
fueling electronics ignition
complete top end

don't think it would be realistic

don't give trials any more ideas !
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