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Just flunked my M1 Written Test

So you don't think people should be tested to know what a Yield sign is, or any other sign which doesn't have words on it? A lot of the questions I had were very common sense...if you can't answer that you need to speed up to merge onto the highway, do you think that's going to be in your head when you start driving?

Yeah I get it some of you are pure practical people; if you can learn it in a car at driving school then what's the point of writing the G1. Well I suppose its a small weeding out process. I wouldn't let someone hold/use my firearms without them being able to TELL me how to handle them properly. If you can't tell me, do I really trust you to show me?
 
Passed the written test. Aced it actually.

Failed the skills test, the first time. This was back when they made you do the slalom between the cones, not the current M.O.S.T. Test. Try doing a slalom at a walking pace with a bike that has a centrifugal clutch, that engages at what would be just above walking pace. Oh, and my 'failure'? Barely brushing the toes of one foot on the ground, while turning around at the top to repeat the slalom.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Passed the written test. Aced it actually.

Failed the skills test, the first time. This was back when they made you do the slalom between the cones, not the current M.O.S.T. Test. Try doing a slalom at a walking pace with a bike that has a centrifugal clutch, that engages at what would be just above walking pace. Oh, and my 'failure'? Barely brushing the toes of one foot on the ground, while turning around at the top to repeat the slalom.
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Or try doing it on a sport bike that idles in 1st gear at 19km/hr. Or a sport bike with tight steering stops. My 7R was terrible in that regard.
 
caboose483 said:
Or try doing it on a sport bike that idles in 1st gear at 19km/hr. Or a sport bike with tight steering stops. My 7R was terrible in that regard.
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That I could do, using rear brake and clutch slip. Not an option on a 250 Honda Elite.
 
Just do it again OP, I'm sure you'll pass next time. Some of you are not being very understanding... the equivalent would be for you to go to Quebec and take the test. Just saying...
 
Rob MacLennan said:
This was back when they made you do the slalom between the cones, not the current M.O.S.T. Test. Try doing a slalom at a walking pace with a bike that has a centrifugal clutch, that engages at what would be just above walking pace.
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I took the test at Brampton just about 2.5 years ago and we still had the redonkulous slalom. but...

Rob MacLennan said:
That I could do, using rear brake and clutch slip. Not an option on a 250 Honda Elite.
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thank mormon Jesus for slippers dawg!
 
You can take the test in French. Heck you can take it in a whole bunch of languages (which I don't agree with). It should only be either French or English.
 
Metastable said:
You can take the test in French. Heck you can take it in a whole bunch of languages (which I don't agree with). It should only be either French or English.
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Why are other languages not agreeable to you?
 
Kokla said:
Why are other languages not agreeable to you?
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I understand his point. We have two official languages, in which the business of government is to be done, and yet we go to the extra trouble and expense of providing tests in a multiplicity of other languages. In a time when we should be thinking of fiscal restraint it seems, in a word, dumb.
 
Tango5 said:
Just do it again OP, I'm sure you'll pass next time. Some of you are not being very understanding... the equivalent would be for you to go to Quebec and take the test. Just saying...
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Do you want to be understanding when providing someone the ability to operate a 500lb missile??

I don't
 
reciprocity said:
Perhaps you shouldn't be riding?
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Laws between Québec and Ontario are really different. From the move over law, positioning in your lane to passing other people, a lot of thing change. I almost failed mine in Ontario but got 98% in Québec. Examples, here the girl that tested me told me to go forward, wait in the middle of an intersection so I can pass when the light turn yellow, in Québec, when I did the test, it was an automatic fail. Here, the HTA authorize you to pass on the right at any time, while in Québec its 70 and under only. Here you can stay on the left lane as long as you are faster or going at traffic speed (freaking stupid) while in some province its a passing lane only. Here you HAVE to stop on the side of the road for any incoming emergency vehicle and I see it often, while in Québec its more like the far west, no one really move. You see what I mean? Those little stupid question can make you fail an easy test for somebody that had learn to drive/ride in the province.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
I understand his point. We have two official languages, in which the business of government is to be done, and yet we go to the extra trouble and expense of providing tests in a multiplicity of other languages. In a time when we should be thinking of fiscal restraint it seems, in a word, dumb.
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I would see a problem with it if I needed to understand words other than "stop" to drive a car.
 
OpenGambit said:
I would see a problem with it if I needed to understand words other than "stop" to drive a car.
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As I stated, it's also a fiscal consideration. Providing tests, translated into dozens of other languages, is what many consider to be an unnecessary expense to government.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
As I stated, it's also a fiscal consideration. Providing tests, translated into dozens of other languages, is what many consider to be an unnecessary expense to government.
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I Agree. Business in Government is in two official languages. I think it is smart financially to only offer it in those languages. In some areas, a translator might only be used once a week, in other areas the offices only hire persons who speak specific languages in addition to English/French. These additional skills sets cost money and training. Further, the level of service one receives at one location might be different at another location, which might frustrate a person that desires a translator. Lastly, If a person is sophisticated enough to want to obtain a drivers license, they should have the basic ability to read/write/speak one of the official languages competently enough to take the test(s). In the alternative, they are sophisticated enough to know how to obtain an education for English/French as a second language.
 
Isn't Ontario Drivetest is privately owned/operated? That happened a few years ago if I'm not mistaken. If so..... they don't need to adhere to official government language standards. They can make it readily available if they want, otherwise you need to ask for it yourself.
 
Drivetest I think are still run by the MTO, Service Ontario are mostly private. Regardless, these are costs paid for with government dollars, privatized or not. And you use the word Standards. Yes, there are standards that need to be met, but those standards go both ways. There is a minimum standard, but for cost concerns, there should be a maximum standard of service as well. That way one location doesnt offer a service another does not, which could cause issues: For instance a person receiving language services at one location, but not at another, which might affect an accurate testing score (pass or fail), license suspension or reinstatement etc etc.
 
vince492 said:
Laws between Québec and Ontario are really different. From the move over law, positioning in your lane to passing other people, a lot of thing change. I almost failed mine in Ontario but got 98% in Québec. Examples, here the girl that tested me told me to go forward, wait in the middle of an intersection so I can pass when the light turn yellow, in Québec, when I did the test, it was an automatic fail. Here, the HTA authorize you to pass on the right at any time, while in Québec its 70 and under only. Here you can stay on the left lane as long as you are faster or going at traffic speed (freaking stupid) while in some province its a passing lane only. Here you HAVE to stop on the side of the road for any incoming emergency vehicle and I see it often, while in Québec its more like the far west, no one really move. You see what I mean? Those little stupid question can make you fail an easy test for somebody that had learn to drive/ride in the province.
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In Ontario you cannot legally pass on the right, we just do it anyway. Primarily because all of the idiots who cruise around in the left lane, also not legal regardless of speed. Left lane is for passing only in Ontario. In Quebec, people do both of these things all the time. You would also fail a road test in Ontario for doing either of them.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
One example, though not just English.
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Maybe, but i have driven in plenty of other countries and I never needed to know the language to understand how to drive there. I guess I just don't see it as any different here.

Regardless it should be fairly easy to see that the level of English or French needed to actually drive is a far far lower level than needed to pass the written test.

The fiscal argument is probably not a great one because translation services don't really cost that much ( I engage translators all the time in my work ) and the fiscal impact of barring people who can't read the test in english or french is probably a greater one.

For people that have actually immigrated, they should know that there are already enough barriers, there is no reason to add one more, especially one where the language is so tangently connected to the activity.
 
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