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Is this accurate?
- Thread starter Fuzzbuster
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Fuzzbuster
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So is the general consensus here that it makes more sense to overtake on double yellows and most are employing this habit? Obviously when safe to do so.
I'll pass on dashes where possible. If someone has proven to be an idiot, I will pass when safe. The other upside to passing in corners is they continue plodding along at well below the limit and you gain lots of space from the moron. If passing on solids, it's also a drop gears, full throttle maneuver. No screwing around, get it done asap.
I pass on single / double yellow as long as I can see far enough ahead, am not going up toward a crest of a hill, and am 100% sure I can clear the car in very short order.
Besides that...I wait for an opening.
I also try to mention that to any group riders so it's not a surprise.
If I have the time/space I'll make the pass regardless of the lines.
That said you have to be pretty careful, I had a close call when I thought the road was clear but didn't make out the dip in the road ahead that was hiding an oncoming car. The lines are there for a reason.
That said you have to be pretty careful, I had a close call when I thought the road was clear but didn't make out the dip in the road ahead that was hiding an oncoming car. The lines are there for a reason.
Sort of. The lines roughly assume a brain dead driver attempts a pass with 10 km/h closing speed and no situational awareness. Basically lowest common denominator.
almost 3k!Lol, whats the mileage on your bike??
You’d be amazed at how many people actually do legitimately need reminders of this stuff though. I have seen people argue that it’s ok to speed to “safely pass”.
Don’t get me started on the percentage of people that still, what, 10 years later (??) still don’t seem to understand or comprehend the “move over for stopped emergency vehicles” law. To name but one.
Is the “idiot” the one just doing the speed limit (or something close) though, or are the “idiots” the ones who are losing their minds and risking dangerous passes because someone’s doing only 90 in an 80 and they feel somehow wronged because of their seemingly pathological need to do at least 30-40 over at all times?
As I have a lot of experience recently, on 118, many many drivers are braking for every corner and 10-30 under the limit through the corners and as fast as necessary to block passes in the dashes (up to 172 speeds). The stretch is an hour if you are stuck behind a moron. If someone wants to pass me and keep going at a speed that doesn't impede my progress, I am happy to see them go. For most roads, most of the time, I set cruise to 20 over and try not to touch gas or brakes. If someone is on cruise at 10 over, I won't bother passing. The brakes in every corner (which is both entirely unnecessary and worse for traction as most brake after entering the corner) are what drives me nuts. I don't like being behind them as you can't leave enough gap to mitigate their stupidity impacting you.
^^ that’s different, and I agree, just annoying, and if being done intentionally, ignorant.
However if I get stuck behind someone like this instead of sitting behind them fuming or risking a dangerous pass to get around them if they’re intentionally (or unintentionally, as often seems to be the case now where people will drive the limit in two lane sections but then suddenly speed up to 130 in a passing zone), I often opt for a third option: Stop, take a 10-15 minute break somewhere, and continue on. Or option D, turn off and take another route if possible.
However if I get stuck behind someone like this instead of sitting behind them fuming or risking a dangerous pass to get around them if they’re intentionally (or unintentionally, as often seems to be the case now where people will drive the limit in two lane sections but then suddenly speed up to 130 in a passing zone), I often opt for a third option: Stop, take a 10-15 minute break somewhere, and continue on. Or option D, turn off and take another route if possible.
Most of 118 has no reasonable alternates. It is being used by people getting places. Access to an alternate is an hour detour or more. Similar to 533 or QC 819 or any other number of roads previously known as highways. A great road but once you picked it as your route, you need to stick with it for an hour plus. The problem with your break idea is it isn't a singular idiot. It is 5+ people in every one hour run. Difference in average speed is complicated but 20 km/h is probably in the ballpark. So that's one vehicle every ~4 km that is afraid of corners on a clear sunny day. Back to handing out licenses like candy.
sburns
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All I was stating was it makes more sense for the laws to match what is already happening 90% of elsewhere for simplification of the law and people's understanding of it matches across Canada.
Not sure what you are going on about, enforcement has nothing to do with what I mentioned. And if you are passing someone on a curve or corner where you can't see further ahead, good luck to you. I was on 118 yesterday, I passed a truck on a straightaway didn't need a double yellow for it.
RC-31
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Let's see some actual law. Quoted statues and facts. The MOT/DOT handbooks are not laws. Their websites offer do and do not, but it's not legal "prohibited by this law" in its wording.
I've looked at legal websites and the ones I've come across so far don't offer laws, either.
I've looked at legal websites and the ones I've come across so far don't offer laws, either.
sburns
Well-known member
Uh oh is that getting close to sell time?
almost time to **** or get off the pot.
Only if it came along with a "thou shalt" to municipalities ... mark ALL centrelines as dashed (passing permitted) if there is only one lane of traffic in either direction and it is not within 150 metres of an actual intersection (not private driveway) or curve or crest of a hill sufficient to block visibility over the top of it. If any centreline is marked as solid then there had better be an explicit legit reason for it, not a creative or imaginary excuse.
Many, many dashed centrelines have been re-marked with solid over the years. I try not to abuse them (knowing that many drivers think the centreline is the law, and get angry at others for overtaking them) but if someone is going way slow, so be it.
The link to the official Highway Traffic Act and the section on "Overtaking and passing rules" is in post #3: Law Document English View
The HTA generally does not say what is permissible, it only says what is an offence. Therefore, there isn't an explicit statement that passing on a double yellow is okay, and you'll need to read most of the document to be confident that crossing a double yellow is not listed as an offence on its own (it's not, to the best of my knowledge).
Passing on a double yellow might be considered as a factor in whether you're charged with something more serious like careless driving as a result of an accident, but just passing on a double yellow itself doesn't constitute careless driving.
I like looking through obscure crap, but that is too much for me.
Someone with a lot of time on their hands would have to go through each state and province's highway legislation and provide references to the relevant listed offence. And in cases where it's not an explicit offence in the state/province, potentially tracking down the associated case law (which are precedents set by the courts in individual cases after interpreting the literal law when it's not clear).Kawartha Lakes has these new 40kph speed "area" signs, never seen them before. Everywhere is 80k unless signed, so they USED to put up speed limit signs on streets. Now they throw a speed "area" sign... it's legal, it's on the books. What AREA? They're usually in small hamlets, in subdivisions off the main drag... BUT where does it END?
At the west end of Bobcaygeon there is sign telling us the 60kph zone ENDS. WTF is that? Everywhere else there is a sign that says 80kph BEGINS.
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