Is anyone a border guard?

just_luc

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I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on bringing lawn care products across the border..

They are banned in Ontario now, but they aren't illegal federally, other provinces still allow them.. as the border is federal can I just declare a few bags of weed control fertilizer, pay the tax and go on my merry way? or if the crossing is in Ontario do they enforce Ontario law?
 
I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on bringing lawn care products across the border..

They are banned in Ontario now, but they aren't illegal federally, other provinces still allow them.. as the border is federal can I just declare a few bags of weed control fertilizer, pay the tax and go on my merry way? or if the crossing is in Ontario do they enforce Ontario law?

The border is Federal. Certain weed control products are illegal to use in Ontario (not illegal to possess).
You can bring them across the border, pay tax, if applicable.
You CAN NOT use the products in Ontario (legally).
 
From what I hear as long as you say it's for personal use not commercial sale then you'll be fine. Like above they don't care if you have it. It's if you use it lol
 
The border is Federal. Certain weed control products are illegal to use in Ontario (not illegal to possess).
You can bring them across the border, pay tax, if applicable.
You CAN NOT use the products in Ontario (legally).

That's what I wanted to hear :) Thanks all
 
I can't respect bringing in banned products when I have no dandelions because I pulled them out by hand and my neighbours used an approved iron treatment which does work.
 
No issues at the border with pesticides .
 
I can't respect bringing in banned products when I have no dandelions because I pulled them out by hand and my neighbours used an approved iron treatment which does work.

Umm, that is not really true. The iron stuff works by killing the leaves. If they are new/young dandelions this will atrophy the root and kill the entire plant. If they are years old, the root will not atrophy (it is well established and it can survive the leaves being killed) and may take MULTIPLE treatments or just may never work. Went through this at home. Spray the new stuff, leaves all turn black and die. Month later same large dandelions are back, do it again, repeat... Finally pulled them and got 8 to 12" of root (where it broke off), month later they were back...

Which goes to pulling, unless you get the entire root it comes right back. Works good for young ones, not at all for ones that are well established. Root will atrophy if you keep up on pulling the same ones over and over again.

So lawns that have been well kept in the past (maybe ones sprayed with the old stuff in the past) what you said may work, not for ones that have been neglected for years. Another enviro friendly options are things like a weed torch. But it basically has the same limitations as above. Kill the foliage and hope the roots atrophy, repeat... Boiling water also works, but kills the grass around it, with some technique you can be more focused.

The main active ingredient in the banned weed killer is 2,4-D (each brand has a unique cocktail of stuff but it is the 2,4-d that is doing most of the work), this BTW was 50% of the Agent Orange/Agent Purple mixture (although most believe it was the other half that was the really bad part). In the weed killers though the mixture is no where near as high. IMO the main real world issue with the banned killers were people (and lawn companies) who sprayed the entire yard (and not just the weeds) and people who used the granular stuff. Spraying the entire yard just put more chemical on the yard, and into the environment than needed, it does not work in the soil it works on the weed's leaves (where it is absorbed). The solid stuff is even worse, it has to be absorbed into the leaves of the plant so you end up putting way more on than needed hoping some later rain will will let it absorb... Just spraying the weeds and not the entire lawn saved money and saved the environmental impact, instead of education they went ban... The current law in Ontario still allows golf courses, fields etc. to use it, and they just spray it everywhere...

Now if some law breaker here does spray the banned stuff, hopefully they learn from the above, buy liquid and only spray the weeds. BTW, anyone with any knowledge on the subject will be able to smell the stuff, it has a very strong and unique "ester" smell so it may not be so easy to get away with (smart people will know what you did and may report you...). More you spray, stronger the smell.
 
I know it is work, but it can be tremendously satisfying if you are stressed out and go out there with your metal weed prong tool and a bucket and get it out just-so without breaking the root. Sort of like scratching an itch because you get an immediate result.

For really deep roots you can use a special tool that funnels water down. I don't have that one but I do have one that grabs using feet to clamp it but I don't use that one either because its just more fun for me to do it by hand.
 
where is the ban written,, because I can still buy the product in ontario,,, as long as I tell the vendor that I have a large infestation of weeds,, which leads me to believe I can apply it in that application... so I think there is a restriction,, not an all out ban... <confooosed>
 
I can't respect bringing in banned products when I have no dandelions because I pulled them out by hand and my neighbours used an approved iron treatment which does work.

I do pull all my dandelions by hand, and i use the approved iron based stuff on things like clover and some other broad leaf weeds, my lawn is generally weed free and chemical free, but i've got an infestation of crab grass right now, and there's no legal way to get rid of that without killing half the lawn.
 
where is the ban written,, because I can still buy the product in ontario,,, as long as I tell the vendor that I have a large infestation of weeds,, which leads me to believe I can apply it in that application... so I think there is a restriction,, not an all out ban... <confooosed>

The ban is on "selective herbicides" meaning you can't use anything that kills weeds but leaves the grass over a large area.. you can still buy roundup or things like that which kill everything.
 
Oh I have crabgrass patches too. All I did to deal with it was take a spade and cut it out of the lawn. Then I put clean topsoil and added grass seeds + fertilizer and waited for it to sprout. I didn't mind doing this because there are spots where the earth has settled and requires more soil anyway.

The way I look at it is, it's never going to be perfect but if I do a bit of this and that every year eventually it'll be fine.
 
I made friends with a local farmer. I buy my free range eggs and meat from them and pick up my weed killer and fertilizers all in one stop :)
 
I do pull all my dandelions by hand, and i use the approved iron based stuff on things like clover and some other broad leaf weeds, my lawn is generally weed free and chemical free, but i've got an infestation of crab grass right now, and there's no legal way to get rid of that without killing half the lawn.

Ditto on hand bombing the weeds. I've been getting 1/2 a green bin filled weekly, all by hand............oh my back :mad:
And ditto on the crabgrass. I'm going to try the boiling water thing in a day or two. If that doesn't work, roundup the area(s) - wait 10 days, and re-seed.
I miss "Weed - B - gone". I had success with that stuff. I won't bring any **** back from the states though, I'll keep doing it by hand, until I can't.
 
I worked for years in organophosphorus chemistry research. I'll never put that crap on my lawn or herbicides for that matter. I know exactly what they smell like and I won't have a problem calling it in as I don't want my dogs sniffing up grass cuttings and overspray from chemically laced lawns. My last dog died from a mouth tumour and I strongly suspect it was due to always having her head down sniffing and snorting up crap. I wish people understood exactly what it was they were lacing their gardens with all in the name of a perfect patch of ****ing grass.
 
Bought a $30 jug of Scott's eco-friendly Weed B Gone from Crappy Tire. Sprayed it liberally over all my weeds in the cracks of my driveway. Colossal waste of money. Didn't work worth ashit! Should have got my dog to piss on it instead. Gary, have you looked into those fancy foot operated weed pullers? I was skeptical about them at first buy they work like a charm!
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Gary, have you looked into those fancy foot operated weed pullers? I was skeptical about them at first buy they work like a charm!
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I was out front on my hands & knees pulling weeds earlier in the season. Guy across the street was using one. I went over to check it out. Fiskers. It went down rather deep, but he was cutting every root, rather than pulling them. Considering I get maybe 75 - 80% without breaking the root, I'll pass on the Fiskers and grunt it out, unless you know of a better one.
I've been using Kerosene for unwanted weeds where there's no grass / flowers. Works excellent.
 
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