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Impaired motorcyclist arrested in Vaughan
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Riceburner
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Do something stupid...you pay.
Dude's got more syllables in his first name then my first & last together. Syllable-envy.
MarcosSantiago
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Innocent until proven guilty?
Fine then...dipshit if guilty
Riceburner
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true technically, but a failed breath test is a failed breath test. ...as long as it's correct, I guess.
Doing 50 over on hwy 7 at 2 PM. Unless in short bursts this is really a stupid idea. Guess he didn't have the sense to check his 6 to see if he was being followed and brought the fuzz home. Ah well, poor guy's life is (somewhat)ruined if found guilty...at least he gets to live and learn!
Lets not forget that he had additional breath tests at the station possibly up to an hour after the first one and he was still over the legal limit.
I came across an impaired rider about 15 years ago on Keele St, in King City, (no street lights etc), it was about 9:30 at night. He had, (about 300 meters in front of me), hit the right front corner of a corolla head on, The bike had entered the carollas lane).. He eventually lost his left leg and the woman that was his passenger was killed instantly. She left behind 3 young children. She too was impaired.
So this guy is VERY lucky. Good thing the copper followed him to his residence otherwise he likely would have WOT, and the press release would be reading very differently.
So this guy is VERY lucky. Good thing the copper followed him to his residence otherwise he likely would have WOT, and the press release would be reading very differently.
MarcosSantiago
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This is my only issue with this - our friends at the police station decided to post the news... "Mr. Khounkeovisacksack was CHARGED" (not convicted).
He is going to court in September '14.
In the mean time. people on internet forums gets all excited about the news. "What an animal!" "Danger to society" "Hang him by his balls" "What a degenerate pervert!"
Now, what if... What if all the charges are dismissed on the first court date? Then what?
What about Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksack reputation?
Would somboy think of the children (of the accused)?
Doesn't Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack have an expectation of privacy based on the "innocent until proven guilty" principle?
He is going to court in September '14.
In the mean time. people on internet forums gets all excited about the news. "What an animal!" "Danger to society" "Hang him by his balls" "What a degenerate pervert!"
Now, what if... What if all the charges are dismissed on the first court date? Then what?
What about Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksack reputation?
Would somboy think of the children (of the accused)?
Doesn't Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack have an expectation of privacy based on the "innocent until proven guilty" principle?
Press releases such as this are normal. Heck in many smaller towns, (where ones reputation is even more at risk, because everyone knows everyone), they have a section in the paper called "police blotter" where most incidents are published weekly.
The principle of publishing names of those charged is a long standing, (and ruled constitutional), in Canada. Once your charged seeing our court system is based upon transparency you have no right or expectation of privacy. Every accused name is published and posted daily at courthouses. Now granted not a s many will see it there as will see a press release.
The principle of publishing names of those charged is a long standing, (and ruled constitutional), in Canada. Once your charged seeing our court system is based upon transparency you have no right or expectation of privacy. Every accused name is published and posted daily at courthouses. Now granted not a s many will see it there as will see a press release.
This is my only issue with this - our friends at the police station decided to post the news... "Mr. Khounkeovisacksack was CHARGED" (not convicted).
He is going to court in September '14.
In the mean time. people on internet forums gets all excited about the news. "What an animal!" "Danger to society" "Hang him by his balls" "What a degenerate pervert!"
Now, what if... What if all the charges are dismissed on the first court date? Then what?
What about Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksack reputation?
Would somboy think of the children (of the accused)?
Doesn't Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack have an expectation of privacy based on the "innocent until proven guilty" principle?
Dresden
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This is my only issue with this - our friends at the police station decided to post the news... "Mr. Khounkeovisacksack was CHARGED" (not convicted).
He is going to court in September '14.
In the mean time. people on internet forums gets all excited about the news. "What an animal!" "Danger to society" "Hang him by his balls" "What a degenerate pervert!"
Now, what if... What if all the charges are dismissed on the first court date? Then what?
What about Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksack reputation?
Would somboy think of the children (of the accused)?
Doesn't Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack have an expectation of privacy based on the "innocent until proven guilty" principle?
I do agree with this assessment, even though the motorcyclist shows all signs of being impaired.
Back in 2003-2004 when Julian Fantino was the chief of Toronto Police Services, he was quick to call a big press conference announcing that they had caught several people in a child pornography ring. The media painted them as guilty - even Fantino went as far as making the following statement of the people that were charged under suspicion of purchasing child pornography:
The media had a field day - of course. The charges against most (if not all) were eventually dropped, however the lives of these men were forever damaged. James LeCraw committed suicide after being let go from him job, deserted by his family/friends etc.
Although I want to throw the biggest stone at the impaired motorcyclist, I'm glad we live in a society that allows for his "day in court".
BRB, climbing down my high horse.
MarcosSantiago
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Hey, I totally get it. It is a way to publically shame people for their behaviour. People who may be innocent after all (like Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack may be).
Also, police says on the URL "Anyone with information is asked to call the Traffic Bureau at 1-866..." But wait a minute, if they have the breathalyzer, do they really need any other evidence? I do not think so. Unless...
Now, in the topic of the publication of the names.... the police blotter was one thing when it was based on ink and paper and the audience was 10,000 people. Posting it online pushes the audience numbers to 10,000,000 (and it is going to stay online forever and ever!). Don't you think Mr. Khounkeovisacksacksacksack is getting hurt worse (in the hypothetical case that he is innocent</SPAN>)?
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I agree I am defending the press release just saying that in todays society, everyone wants to know everything. How is the public any better served by knowing exactly how Robin Williams was discovered and even publishing that the belt was stuck in the closet door? It would have sufficed, (if it was at all necessary) to leave it with the original reports that he died of asphyxia.
As for the witnesses to contact the Traffic Bureau that is a common line. Your right they have the breathalyzer, but why not go to court, (If possible) with witnesses who can also describe how he was riding prior to the contact with police. It would just make for a stronger case. What if the breathalyzer somehow gets excluded then they can use witnesses to bolster the accompanying charge of Impaired driving. Just covering all their bases.
As for the witnesses to contact the Traffic Bureau that is a common line. Your right they have the breathalyzer, but why not go to court, (If possible) with witnesses who can also describe how he was riding prior to the contact with police. It would just make for a stronger case. What if the breathalyzer somehow gets excluded then they can use witnesses to bolster the accompanying charge of Impaired driving. Just covering all their bases.
CanadianBiker
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I used to live in Caledon and one of the local papers used to publish the name, age and town of residence of drivers charged with impaired during the previous week. One guy from Bolton was named one week, along with a few other people from Brampton, etc. The Bolton guy wrote to the paper and complained how he was being unfairly pilloried for a "mistake". The paper published his letter. So he has now had his name (and the charge) published twice. Then a friend of his wrote the paper to again defend the "mistake"; also published. Then a few regular citizens weighed in and the paper judiciously meted out the letters at the rate of one a week.
The upshot of all this was that instead of having his name appear once in a single paragraph, he instigated a cascade that resulted in the story becoming even bigger and running for several months, all because he didn't just keep his head down and his mouth shut.
FLSTC
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They recently reduced the speed limit on that section of Hwy 7 to 60km/hr from 80km/hr. I don't often see speed traps there, but I imagine that 50 over is a frequent occurrence (cars and bikes).
I'm curious if the rider was stopped on his driveway whether the motorcycle was towed/impounded?
I'm curious if the rider was stopped on his driveway whether the motorcycle was towed/impounded?
Towing is SOP, (Standard Operating Procedure), for impaired drivers, even if they pull in their driveway. Otherwise if close to home people simply "choose" not to pull over until they got home. Plus it prevents them from driving the vehicle while under suspension, (after their release).
