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Rob MacLennan said:
I don't think that our roads are as badly over capacity, as you might think. Part of the problem is all of the morons who think that they are more important than everyone else, force their way ahead in traffic, and then bog EVERYONE down. If we could get some traffic enforcement for things other than speed, I think that you'd find commute times would come down a fair bit.
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I think you know how likely that will ever be, though. I agree driver selfishness exacerbates the congestion everywhere. I'd like remedial driver training added as an option to reduce fines or penalties, to existing offences including speeding. I think that would have real impact on all the residents of Ontario that never have gone through the graduated licensing system. Either give them some form of administrative license suspension (and prohibiting insurance companies from rating based on those suspensions) or have no suspension at all, but the possibility of having their license revoked if they fail to complete the training.
 
TwistedKestrel said:
I think you know how likely that will ever be, though. I agree driver selfishness exacerbates the congestion everywhere. I'd like remedial driver training added as an option to reduce fines or penalties, to existing offences including speeding. I think that would have real impact on all the residents of Ontario that never have gone through the graduated licensing system. Either give them some form of administrative license suspension (and prohibiting insurance companies from rating based on those suspensions) or have no suspension at all, but the possibility of having their license revoked if they fail to complete the training.
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We already have a system, that takes into account things like administrative suspensions; the demerit points system. The problem is that you're unlikely to receive demerits for anything other than a speed offence, so those are the offences that people tend to worry the most about. Even then, the normal worry is about whether there's a targeted sweep for speeders, on any given day.

Next week I'll likely be taking a couple of hours off, to video the stupidity that people pull on the 410, on a daily basis. It seems that simply describing it, to the powers that be, is insufficient. I figure that I should be able to record about a hundred vehicles, passing in the breakdown lane between 410 and the merge from 407, in an average rush hour.
 
turbodish said:
Why would you even need a "full" warm-up anyways? I've got an older carburated bike. I get on it, start it in the garage, push it back it out of the garage while still sitting on it, and I'm on my way. I doubt that takes more than 30seconds. I just ride it easy for the first few minutes while it's getting fully up to temperature.
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My bike would stall. I usually pull mine out of the garage, start it up ~ 30 seconds with choke, then I let her warm up while I put my gear on, which probably takes another 2-3 minutes and she's good to go by that time. It' carburated too. Oh well, just another added cost of riding. I'm not going to risk my safety or add to the wear by operating cold for mother earth.
 
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promac said:
My bike would stall. I usually pull mine out of the garage, start it up ~ 30 seconds with choke, then I let her warm up while I put my gear on, which probably takes another 2-3 minutes and she's good to go by that time. It' carburated too. Oh well, just another added cost of riding. I'm not going to risk my safety or add to the wear by operating cold for mother earth.
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Mine seems to be like yours, I just had a full tune up so I think it's a normal thing. The hippies that live near me keep complaining... Maybe if I had a bone stock exhaust they might be more understanding, but then no one would notice me in traffic...ah dilemma's. I am just trying to keep the neighbours happy (I park on the street)
 
Rob MacLennan said:
... I think that you'd find commute times would come down a fair bit.
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The road would be clogged with people pulled over if they actually started targeting something beyond speeding. ;)
 
But everyone would basically stop to look assuming it was a gruesome car accident.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Then pull them over too, for 'impeding the flow of traffic.'
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You win. Won't happen though. A coworker actually got pulled over because he honked (briefly and only once) at people rubber necking. The officer told him that rubber neckers make cops safer because they're watching for people around the accident.
 
unL33T said:
You win. Won't happen though. A coworker actually got pulled over because he honked (briefly and only once) at people rubber necking. The officer told him that rubber neckers make cops safer because they're watching for people around the accident.
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Then that officer needs a refresher on how many collisions are caused because drivers are distracted, by something on the side of the road. Looking at a collisions means that the driver might not see the officer who is trying to direct people around it, or another collision.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Next week I'll likely be taking a couple of hours off, to video the stupidity that people pull on the 410, on a daily basis. It seems that simply describing it, to the powers that be, is insufficient. I figure that I should be able to record about a hundred vehicles, passing in the breakdown lane between 410 and the merge from 407, in an average rush hour.
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What will you do with this video? I hope something good. ;)

As for the idling...I almost always let my vehicles warm-up for about 1 minute prior to driving off. My previous cars were both Turbos and you can tell from the RPM tachometer that the car was not ready to be driven yet.

I think this law was really targeted towards people who make "quick" pit stops, but leave their car running while they are doing whatever.... This is where were really need enforcement.
 
I was thinking of posting it online then sending the link to Kathleen Wynne, and all the people who sent me form letters when I first raised this issue. And CP24. And Global News. And CBC News. And CFTO News.
 
If you want to ease congestion downtown, simply modify the traffic signals to allow one or two cars to make a right hand turn BEFORE the pedestrians are signalled to cross. On most two lane roads downtown, most of the congestion comes from drivers having to wait for a gap in the pedestrians to make a turn. Ever wonder why traffic sometimes doesn't move until the light is red again? It's because while one person is waiting to make a left through traffic, some guy at the front of the line is waiting for a gap in the pedestrians to turn right. When he finially does make the turn, everybody moves up one car length

We have advanced signals for left turns that are effective, why not for right turns?
 
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If I was on the 401 in a traffic jam and turned off my bike or car, could I be charged?
If I was sitting at a light that is more than one minute and I turned off my vehicle, could I be charged?
 
thedude said:
If you want to ease congestion downtown, simply modify the traffic signals to allow one or two cars to make a right hand turn BEFORE the pedestrians are signalled to cross. On most two lane roads downtown, most of the congestion comes from drivers having to wait for a gap in the pedestrians to make a turn. Ever wonder why traffic sometimes doesn't move until the light is red again? It's because while one person is waiting to make a left through traffic, some guy at the front of the line is waiting for a gap in the pedestrians to turn right. When he finially does make the turn, everybody moves up one car length

We have advanced signals for left turns that are effective, why not for right turns?
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Unfortunately that would have virtually no effect, without some form of enforcement. Don't believe me? Stand at the corner of Victoria and Dundas, Yonge and Gould, or Gerrard and Shuter for 20 minutes.
 
I don't really know how effective this law really is with all the stop and go traffic in Toronto. Now those TTC buses idling in the stations are a different story.
 
During the winter, my father in-law went to tim hortons, and left his car running while he went inside. When he came out (2-3mins) he had a cop 'idling' behind him, writing him a ticket. He pointed out that he would have been behind the van that hasn't even got to the speaker box yet, but the officer didn't want to hear it. Now it has been about a year, but i think the ticket was almost $300.
 
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