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Hi everyone, first-time poster, long-time lurker.

I learned to ride in Toronto, but have been living in Ireland for the past 3 yrs where I ride (and filter) on my Ducati Multistrada.

When I first started riding, on a scooter, I started filtering through stopped traffic quite early on, as I was used to doing so on my bicycle.

I got pulled for it once, weirdly on the way to a test-ride, by a detective in a minivan. He said he didn't have any tickets with him, but that I was breaking the law as I was riding in an "unmarked lane" and apparently that was illegal. I didn't bother arguing, as I was quite young at the time and frankly was happy to not have a ticket.

I think that filtering past moving traffic in Toronto at least, as I can't speak for Ontario as a whole, would be SUICIDAL! The standards of driving in Toronto are horrendously bad, and there's no way that drivers would check their mirrors enough to avoid collisions.

Filtering at red lights I think is not really a big deal, and when I move back to Toronto, if I ever move back, I think I'll continue to do that.

In Ireland (and in Europe) everyone filters, and while there are less bikes in Ireland than in Toronto per capita, people are used to having to move around traffic, and move over for faster cars - I often get drivers moving over a bit to let me past even when traffic is moving (albeit slowly). In contrast, in Canada most drivers plonk themselves in their lane and stay there for eternity/destination reached.

btw - here there are no speed cameras and in general I never really have to worry about my speed, tho i try to keep below 200kph on the motorway. I have NO idea how you guys deal w/ Bill 203 over there. My next bike over here will probably be an R1 or a Blade but if I ever move back to Canada, I think I'd have to look at the new KTM 125 Duke, as its the only way I'd avoid a permanent ban!
 
I agree that splitting (and filtering actually) is rather dangerous in the GTA. What we need is to raise the general standard of driver, in this Province, rather than giving licenses out like some sort of door prize just for showing up.
 
Well if I'm going to filter, I'm going to filter right to the front. I don't want to be surrounded by a bunch of cars that have no idea what I'm going to be doing. I go to the front and I'll be gone faster than any of the cars anyways.... so I'm not slowing anyone down. Actually to be honest, I am probably expediting the flow of traffic for other cars, because now I'm NOT taking the space of a car in a lane. Plus when I'm away from the "wave" of cars, I'm safer too.

There is no reason not to allow filtering. Cars are stopped. All we would need is a very limited news message letting people know what is acceptable, so they don't try to cut you off intentionally.

Filtering =
- Increases Safety
- Facilitates Traffic Flow
- Makes a city more motorcycle friendly for commuters

and really - there is no detriment to cars and larger road vehicles

Definitely. To quote someone from the UK, "cagers don't understand we don't want the space in front of them - we want the space in front of them and in front of that and in front of that one and so on"
 
Hi everyone, first-time poster, long-time lurker.

I learned to ride in Toronto, but have been living in Ireland for the past 3 yrs where I ride (and filter) on my Ducati Multistrada.

When I first started riding, on a scooter, I started filtering through stopped traffic quite early on, as I was used to doing so on my bicycle.

I got pulled for it once, weirdly on the way to a test-ride, by a detective in a minivan. He said he didn't have any tickets with him, but that I was breaking the law as I was riding in an "unmarked lane" and apparently that was illegal. I didn't bother arguing, as I was quite young at the time and frankly was happy to not have a ticket.

I think that filtering past moving traffic in Toronto at least, as I can't speak for Ontario as a whole, would be SUICIDAL! The standards of driving in Toronto are horrendously bad, and there's no way that drivers would check their mirrors enough to avoid collisions.

Filtering at red lights I think is not really a big deal, and when I move back to Toronto, if I ever move back, I think I'll continue to do that.

In Ireland (and in Europe) everyone filters, and while there are less bikes in Ireland than in Toronto per capita, people are used to having to move around traffic, and move over for faster cars - I often get drivers moving over a bit to let me past even when traffic is moving (albeit slowly). In contrast, in Canada most drivers plonk themselves in their lane and stay there for eternity/destination reached.

btw - here there are no speed cameras and in general I never really have to worry about my speed, tho i try to keep below 200kph on the motorway. I have NO idea how you guys deal w/ Bill 203 over there. My next bike over here will probably be an R1 or a Blade but if I ever move back to Canada, I think I'd have to look at the new KTM 125 Duke, as its the only way I'd avoid a permanent ban!

I filter at a stopped red light all the time here. I am an advocate and am prepared for the headache to defend myself. Been pulled over 6 times for it. 4 times I argued my way out, and 2 times I was given tickets. My first court date in in Jan. I'll keep you posted. Typically cops nail you with 154 in the HTA, but there has been some recent precedent to suggest they must prove the action is unsafe, not that you left or shared the lane.

Personally I don't feel it is illegal though others will argue up and down it is and that you will be nailed with 172 by a cop having a bad day.
 
Sorry for the long post in advance but you guys need to hear this if you even filter once in a blue moon like i do..

I just got home a little while ago, went out for 5mins on one of the winter bikes, and instead spent one hour trying to get out of trouble.

This is what happened; I left home, first traffic light outside the neighborhood im waiting to make a left. light turns green for me, the green arrow is there, but im waiting for one car, two car, three car..."like come ON!", but I didn't care since there was no one behind me, I was relaxed no need to get upset.

Anyways now I made the left turn, and now another redlight “these are very close traffic lights”, there are three cars to my left and right, no one is moving and the light is red, I filter through them at crawling speed, and look back and gesture to the first cars, sorry its cold just want to be on my way, they gesture back it's all good.

Light turns green im on my way straight and again in a few meters make a left into the left lane “this lane angles at a wide angle” I wait in line behind 5 cars, as soon as the light turns red, I slowly filter from the right, but this time there is only cars in the turning lane onto my left so it’s not even filtering it’s just entering a left lane, nothing on the right no lane on the right it’s a separate left turn with just huge gap in-between the normal road and its self. I look over at the person in the van who is first and same thing guy lets me go in front.

Light turns green im making the left turn, everything is great, cruising at 55kmh and suddenly a crazy old guy pulls up from behind - beside me to my right out of nowhere, yelling, throwing vulgar gestures, swerving left and right, I look at him and gesture wtf whats going on? He then cuts in front of me slams on his breaks, I slow down, turn into the slower lane, and he cuts me off again, and again he slams on his breaks, I don’t know where he came from or what got to him but I was loosing my cool fast, at the same time i was trying to think, does this guy know me or something, who is this person what do they want? can’t call the cops because im on my bike so I calm myself down and just go to where I was going, as im going he is in front but goes to the same plaza im going to go eat, he erratically pulls into a parking spot, I go on my way to the other end, get off, and this guy drives like a maniac comes to me and has a cop on his Bluetooth in his car, and is telling to the cop second by second what im doing “sir he’s looking me right now, staring me down, sir he just swore at me “when I didn’t”, sir….then he gets interrupted, and then the cop says to him don’t go close to him get away while i can hear all this im standing right there etc.

I turn and am like F this im not sticking around for this guys bs, I get on my bike and slowly stop at a stop sign and cruisers blocking and swerving come by and stop around me, one guy tells me turn the bike around, quickly starts typing my number plate in his computer, gets out, with a rude voice tells me to stand right there, goes to the other driver, I watch the other drivers persona has changed like a chameleon, I hear some what and the guy is telling the officer how I was speeding, cutting through cars, and how I almost crashed into him etc…

cop comes up to me demanding my license, I respond politely with “yes you may have it sir but first may I know what is even going on?” He stutters for as econd, because I guess he thought I knew what was going on and wasn't expecting such a respone.

I didn’t want to let the other guy get any truth out of his fake story so I just opened my wallet and gave the cop my license, while he was saying “just give me your license and I’ll tell you” at the same time, I even offered my reg/insurance, and he was still rude and jesters after.

Gets in his car, does some more computer research and gets out, asks me you have been in trouble before right, I reply excuse me? For what? , you know why, I reply I don’t know what you’re on about, he says that guy said you were driving like a mad man recklessly and endangering other drivers, at this point I was shocked and replied “what the hell? what going on here? sir I don’t even know where this guy came from, all I did was filter through two-three cars and that’s it, if I was driving fast and like a mad man do you think his vehicle could catch up to me? Im sorry officer but after this is overwith and done im going press charges against him for almost causing me harm, almost trying to kill me on my bike and slurring racist comments to me for no reason that i know of", when I said this the cop kind of backed off and said in a less authoritative voice, well It would be me showing up again...

The cop earlier even tried to convince me that I was bad or something by saying stuff liek you've been charged with careless driving before you know you have, while I replied, seriously sir what are you trying to prove i'm still trying to grasp onto what going on here why that guy is so mad and violent for? I also know I have not been convicted of a careless charge regardless if I was charged with it according to some officer, it’s called conviction in court and i was never charged with anything like that in court, I know my record is clean and that is all that is lawful that which the court oders, do you want to get proof from a court justice of the peace? he then quickly changed the subject to my bad riding again...

I think at this point in time the cop realized im not some dumb person or someone who doesn’t know his rights or the law, and that I was being polite and mature and that I didn’t cave into anger even when he was provoking me.

At this point he goes to the other driver, and another short cop shows up, im sitting and then I get up, the cop demands I sit down (because I know short cop got intimidated by my side), when I reply politely I’d rather stand, the cop says I rather you sit, in a mean voice… so while sitting back down I just laugh and say wow, I wouldn’t even harm a bird, Im a lover and maybe that other guy needs to get some loving too, if you know what mean! ... The cop won’t admit it but I saw from the corner of my eye the cop smirking when I said that.

At this point the other cop comes back gives me my paperwork and says, you know I can charge you with this and that …blah blah blah, at this point I know he can’t do anything, once I quickly get my paperwork from his hands, I tell him simply..."sir for what? i haven't done anything wrong do you have proof that i have done wrong?” he continues to try and scare me, but im the type of person if someone tries to use this strategy I just show hem im not afraid, do what you can i won't be afraid.

So while the cop going back into his car saying he could have this or that on me, I say, "no sir you can’t!" while he gets in his car, he gives me a remark, “see you again” and thats where I reply “no you won’t” , because i know what that means "that means he thinks im a trouble maker and that he's going to be harrasing me from now on" lmao, as he sits in his car he watched me put on my gloves and start the bike, and I knew it he was going to find another excuse to threaten me to see how far he canttry to get me to be afraid of him, so he rolls down his window and says once more, what color is your bike and I give him the correct color stated in my registration, and then he says you know I can charge you with a different color bike, again I reply "no you can’t sir, because the Vin number is the same and the color is only of parts that have been replaced due to damage and have not been painted over yet and the bike need only have one spot of that colour to be considered that coloer since the couler is based on the fairing parts only the tail fairing is on, all the other parts at home are the original colour" .

Then he says but your bike is this color and so on, this is where I just say to him bluntly, hey man why you giving me a hard time, is it because im a bad guy, is it because im a criminal, he replies no no I don’t think you’re a bad guy…I interrupt him and continue to say, you know if that is the case, then I don’t see why im being treated as such, I can understand at first you would present yourself in such a manner because you don’t know who I am or who I could be, but even after the fact, epecially when i have been nothing but kind and the only one diffusing the situation and trying to ignore it and the only agressors were you and that guy against me, when I haven’t even done anything wrong, all I did was filter through cars, so what if i have a ticket or two on my record as you claim does that determine all of one mans lifes work, i could be a priest for all you know, and trying to say im reckless or careless driver while im telling you that i just filtered and you don’t even care about what I did, does that make sense to you?

so what are we here for? obviously that guy is ****** at me for no reason, and him being the aggressor if I knew what I did wrong I’d apologize for what I did, like im saying sorry to you now for if I caused any problem to you…he interruptsand says, no no you didn't do anything to me its cool, but you know a guy like that is not going to listen (and from his face I could tell he was feeling like crap just about now, even though that wasn’t my intent to make him feel that way, I was just being straight up honest with him) I look at him in the eye and he’s looking left and right feeling sorry, and I continue to say, you know I live around - im a local, I probably know 1/3 of the guys in your department and they never give me a hard time they see me around and I see them around some even hang out with me and talk to me once a while because they ride bikes too, and to be honest im sorry man like I mean you no harm or anyone else infact im still shocked and trying to understand what just happened, just because im a biker dosen't mean im bad.

He looks at me and all this time he is agreeing with me and shaking his head in agreement and saying I know, I know what you mean. Before I leave I ask him his name and move my hand forward and he is already moving his towards mine to shake my hand, we say take care to each other and are on our way.

I think I always handle police situations smart, because I know how they think and what they look for, and as a human being I can treat them like I would like to be treated, if for any reason I ever got beat or harassed for God knows what reason I know that I got lawyers that would tear apart anyone like that incourt. But even though everything worked in my favor, and even the cop realizeda nd became a friend I still felt sick to my gut that people in the GTA are so evil.

Im sorry but I don’t understand why this only happens in the GTA, why are the people so evil here, and so corrupt and deceiving? I know there are many nice people but the number of crazy sick people out here is definitely more. What did that guy get out of trying to get me into trouble when instead the cops ended by shaking my hand and respecting me when they came to pile drive me from the first encounter. Im not saying that’s not the way to do it, but I’ve never had a cop try to kill me in Europe for even doing a wheelie, just a simple dude take it easy, im giving you a warning or a fine and everyone on their way. And how the hell can someone on a winter bike be of any threat to anyone?

 
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The reason why I posted this in detail is because I want to take this to court, im sick an tired of the bad people getting away with stuff like this, the other guy tried to make me crash, said racists comments and swore like a mad man continuously, followsed me around, calls the cops on me, then cops come down on me hard, and actl ike they can shoot me if they want to, try to threaten me, while im the only one who really defused the whole situation, if I acted like the cops or that guy who were the aggressors, do anyone of you think I’d be typing this from the comfort of my home tonight?

How should I take this up with the courts, im seriously not taking this bs anymore its time people start to have a spine and not let demon possessed people get the uphand on good hearted kind people, I got all this for no real reason, i didn't even eat, i ended up coming back home and typing this....

Also is it illegal what i did or is it one of those unofficial rules i've seen people filter in down town infront of cops and cops don't say anything i've seen police bikes do that in summer all the time? the cop didn't even care when i told him repeatedly that i filtered thats all, he was more concerned that i was trying to kill the other guy, which i am just ashamed to feel because i know what that other guy did, he called the cops before i could call them and probably thought i was behind him to get his plates, i know from experience this is what these ingrates do they start fights on the road, get their way, then when the other guy dosen't do anything backs off and follows them they think that the other guys is getting their plate to call the cops, so the guy calls the cop first and cries to them like an innocent baby and the cops get all superman on the other innocent person who was just going back to his business. What a BS system, at this rate i can strongly say this world is going down the toilet.

I don't know if you guys experienced that same thing, but this man was extremely violent, and the surprising thing was he used his white hair and family man status to look so innocent to the cop after, i was shocked to see such evilness and change in charector. I will still filter but after experiencing this, i will make sure i get a flip plate, next time im not letting anyone even role beside me for a second everyone is getting left in the dust, if people want to be retards and blame me for bad dangerous riding then thats what i should do.


Now i know why bikers don't stop, because of SOB like this and situations like this and the unecessasry hassle. Im just happy God was watching out for me, last thing i wanted was a fist fight while my father is in the hospital and me ending up in trouble.

Guys what do you think is filtering worth it in this country? i love Canada but is it even worth living here anymore?
 
You were lane splitting and filtering, which is illegal. Certainly the civilian overstepped what he should have done, but you received no injury. I suppose that you could claim 'assault', based on a perceived threat of physical harm, but your own description implies that his aim was to delay you for police, not to cause you harm. You were not charged with anything but merely inconvenienced, by having to explain your actions to police.

In short, I don't think that you have a case. Based on you comments about bigoted epithets from the 'witness' you might have a hope in the kangaroo courts of the Human Rights Tribunal, but that's about it.
 
CUT TO THE CHASE! I'm not reading all of this.

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Coles Notes version: OP was lane splitting. Seems that some old guy chased him down for it, while calling the cops, and blocks him from moving a couple of times. Cops stop OP and an hour's worth of typical police interaction ensues. Now OP wants to know if he has legal recourse against the old guy.
 
Excellent story, ETR. I'm in full support of your case. Hell, I'd even testify in court that filtering, etc, is perfectly ok. I've ridden to California recently, with zero lane splitting experience and rolled around 2,000 km through the city of Los Angeles, in downtown traffic (think 401 rush hour conditions, but non-stop), etc etc etc, teaching myself how to do it from scratch, and I had exactly zero incidents doing it as responsibly as possible as far away from home as I possibly could have been. I was in LA for ~48 days. After the first week of it, my kid sister flew down to LA and rode on my passenger seat for 6 days and we filtered the fck out of that city non-stop, everywhere we went. Simply because it was awesome and efficient and potent and wonderful in every way conceivable. She says it's the most wonderful thing ever invented for motorcycles.

So yeah, you want some back-up, get in touch with me about this, and I'm there. I also call upon any Toronto riders who still have a spine in their backs to join this cause. I'm tired of GTA whiners who talk the talk but who won't stand up and do something about it, but that's another matter for another thread.

Like you, ETR dude, I'm sick and tired of the retards in this town, especially the cops. Don't get me started on the corruptness of GTA "authorities", who are the worst on this continent when it comes to being rude and hostile. I'm constantly terrified that some dickbag cop is going to try and nail me for the most innocent of actions. It's got to stop. The camel's back is long broken for me, thanks to that G-20 in 2010. Canadians are taking everything up the turdcutter with a smile, and this is what it's leading to. Either stand up for sensibility, or have it taken away from you, and prepare to live in increasingly worse and worse conditions.

Unlike you, I've come to the point where I now loathe every fiber of this city, it's people, especially, because everyone here is lacking self-esteem and passive-aggressive hostility is through the roof here. Self-esteem-lacking "authorities" flexing their impotence over you because deep down inside they're scared little children and have nothing better to do than to try and bring you down to their level like two crabs in a bucket pulling the would-be escaper back inside. They're not even aware they're doing it, it's just in their nature. You handled that cop well, it's the same approach I take, and I get the same response from them as you did.

So what's it going to be, people? Are we going to join this cause or sit on our ***** all day and let this problem worsen? Let's start with a small victory such as allowing motorcycles to filter at lights, and win back some sensibility into this junkheap of a city, one step at a time? Or shall we all go back to watching Jersey Shore and Survivor? I suspect the latter, sadly, but you can count on me to not be a member of that dungpile; to stand up for what I believe in. Someone has to.
 
'Learning' how to lane split, in a jurisdiction in which the cagers are both familiar with, and expect the practise, is not the same as exercising that education, in a place where people neither are familiar with, nor expect the practise.
 
'Learning' how to lane split, in a jurisdiction in which the cagers are both familiar with, and expect the practise, is not the same as exercising that education, in a place where people neither are familiar with, nor expect the practise.

You're right. I'm just proving the point that it can be done safely. California, a state of as many people as the entire jurisdiction of this awful country (Canada) has adapted to embrace it, so can Ontarians. Right? (Unless of course you count the automatic 50-point IQ reduction for people in Toronto.) All it takes is a little note in the Driver's Handbook and a little memo to driving schools to tell people about this. Otherwise it would be implied that we MUST remain as we are in all aspects of life, or we'll be in constant danger. Even my technophobe mother learned how to use the internet in the mid-1990s, and if she can be taught to do it, people can be taught to accept lane-splitting and filtering.

I am willing to take the risks in order to obtain the rewards. If anyone else is not that's ok. Nobody's holding a gun to your head demanding you lane-split and filter. Learn, adapt, survive, thrive.
 
You're right. I'm just proving the point that it can be done safely. California, a state of as many people as the entire jurisdiction of this awful country (Canada) has adapted to embrace it, so can Ontarians. Right? (Unless of course you count the automatic 50-point IQ reduction for people in Toronto.) All it takes is a little note in the Driver's Handbook and a little memo to driving schools to tell people about this. Otherwise it would be implied that we MUST remain as we are in all aspects of life, or we'll be in constant danger. Even my technophobe mother learned how to use the internet in the mid-1990s, and if she can be taught to do it, people can be taught to accept lane-splitting and filtering.

I am willing to take the risks in order to obtain the rewards. If anyone else is not that's ok. Nobody's holding a gun to your head demanding you lane-split and filter. Learn, adapt, survive, thrive.

.... and to have the law altered, to make it legal, which is fairly unlikely until we get to Italian levels of two-wheeled transport on the roads.
 
.... and to have the law altered, to make it legal, which is fairly unlikely until we get to Italian levels of two-wheeled transport on the roads.

And even more unlikely if we sit around waiting for that to happen in this torturous winterland.
 
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