I'm with this guy. I know TECHNICALLY you're supposed to be in the left tire track but its' a DICK MOVE to not let the people behind you through while you're turning right, especially on a single lane road IMHO
how often do you check your mirrors?
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Please provide a bigger version of your AV. Thanks.
TBH it's concerning at what some of these other riders are choosing for lane positioning.
Hopefully with some more mileage under their belts they will adjust as needed.
Block, block, block is drilled in to the minds of younger riders.
Survive, visibility, placing yourself at less risk is better.
Approaching an intersection where the curb lane remains the same size, stay in the normal blocking position (left tire track). Some motorcycle drivers angle their motorcycles across the lane (45 degrees) to create a larger blocking position and to make themselves more visible to drivers behind them. Make your turn and move to the correct lane position after completing the turn.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/handbook/motorcycles/section4-5-7.shtml
Griffin
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I agree.
I check my mirrors depending on the situation. Approaching stopped or slowing traffic I do it every couple of seconds. Cruising on the highway I do it every 30 seconds or so.
There is such a thing as checking your mirrors too much. One drawback to motorcycles is that you have to look down to check your rear views. That makes it nearly impossible to keep an eye in front. Usually, what is gonna hurt is what comes at you from in front. If I'm in much traffic almost all my attention is on what's in front of me. Taking too much time checking my mirrors leaves me vulnerable to something unexpected happening in front.
I check beside me and my mirrors so often, that helmet cam video from me would likely make you motion sick.
Others have said it but it bears repeating; the blocking positions are not a hard and fast rule, but rather a guideline. Each situation must be evaluated separately, then actions taken accordingly. The blocking position is constantly drilled into you as the magic bullet. It isn't.
Firstly, it is described as riding in whichever tire track. You would be better off riding just inside that tire track, as it creates a situation where it is less likely that someone will try to lane share with you. If another driver sees what appears to be a 90% clear lane then that person will likely try to take advantage of it, especially in a downtown heavy traffic situation. If they see two thirds of a lane? Less likely.
Secondly, there are times when the 'classic' blocking position makes less sense than something else. You want to block in the direction that trouble is most likely to come from both in order to be more visible, and to create a deterrent against someone changing lanes into yours. For example if you are on the highway and coming up to an on-ramp then it is more likely that someone would see and try to take advantage of what they think is a space to merge into, than someone to your left is likely to make a change into the slow lane. In this instance it generally makes more sense to block to the right.
When making a left turn on a multi-lane road most people will tell you to block right, so that people don't try to go around you. I generally am in the left blocking position, and so not blocking the lane to the right. I do this because it puts me in an advantageous position to both see, and be seen by, oncoming traffic. The further ahead you can see, the easier it is to react to what's coming. Remember that I said the blocking position (for me) is about a third of the way into the lane, and so you still provide some deterrent against people passing you in your own lane.
On highways with 3+ lanes in each direction, try to avoid the middle lane(s). You can't block and it's far more likely that someone will intrude upon your space. Sure, there are times when you don't have much of a choice, but try to minimize them.
But none of this mitigates against simple situational awareness. Keep your head on a swivel and try to take note of the vehicles around you. If you suddenly don't see a car that you noticed just seconds before, that's time to worry.
Others have said it but it bears repeating; the blocking positions are not a hard and fast rule, but rather a guideline. Each situation must be evaluated separately, then actions taken accordingly. The blocking position is constantly drilled into you as the magic bullet. It isn't.
Firstly, it is described as riding in whichever tire track. You would be better off riding just inside that tire track, as it creates a situation where it is less likely that someone will try to lane share with you. If another driver sees what appears to be a 90% clear lane then that person will likely try to take advantage of it, especially in a downtown heavy traffic situation. If they see two thirds of a lane? Less likely.
Secondly, there are times when the 'classic' blocking position makes less sense than something else. You want to block in the direction that trouble is most likely to come from both in order to be more visible, and to create a deterrent against someone changing lanes into yours. For example if you are on the highway and coming up to an on-ramp then it is more likely that someone would see and try to take advantage of what they think is a space to merge into, than someone to your left is likely to make a change into the slow lane. In this instance it generally makes more sense to block to the right.
When making a left turn on a multi-lane road most people will tell you to block right, so that people don't try to go around you. I generally am in the left blocking position, and so not blocking the lane to the right. I do this because it puts me in an advantageous position to both see, and be seen by, oncoming traffic. The further ahead you can see, the easier it is to react to what's coming. Remember that I said the blocking position (for me) is about a third of the way into the lane, and so you still provide some deterrent against people passing you in your own lane.
On highways with 3+ lanes in each direction, try to avoid the middle lane(s). You can't block and it's far more likely that someone will intrude upon your space. Sure, there are times when you don't have much of a choice, but try to minimize them.
But none of this mitigates against simple situational awareness. Keep your head on a swivel and try to take note of the vehicles around you. If you suddenly don't see a car that you noticed just seconds before, that's time to worry.
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1. You dont see to move to the right tire track, you should be already there.
2. What?
It seems like we're talking about two different things.
Im talking about a standard 2-3 lane street.
Regardless it seems to be a misunderstanding what you and i said are both correct, just depends on the situation.
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I check the mirrors often. Every mirror I see is sexy
dieselxx
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I check mine at least 3 to 4 times a minute especially at stops or waiting for light. All this just to make sure I dont get rear ended. Funny about people pulling up beside you at stops OP. Happens to me frequently and doesnt matter what lane or what track or how far over I am. From my observations, all culprits have been women so far, hate to say it. It's better they are women, because the look on their faces when I freak on them is priceless
... I know right? So you've permanently repositioned them to self reflect position too?
robmack
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When a car passes a motorcycle on the right in the same lane, it's considered rude but no charges apply. When a bike passes a car in the its lane on the right, it's called filtering and driver is subject to HTA 172. (http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...ate-of-the-law-in-Ontario-a-look-at-R-v-Bunda ). Unfair and biased treatment on the part of the authorities.:angry1:
Do you mean pulling up beside you in the same lane as you? If so.....you're giving them too much space.
Or do you mean in the lane beside you? If so....I'm not sure how they can be "culprits" since they ain't doing nothing wrong...
Plasticguy
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thanks for all the good advice.
