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cvcb
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Are you an instructor?
yeppers.
Our school does the M2X-equivalent on our own bikes and the engine size needs to be 200cc and up to qualify for a full M.
Otherwise, we'd be all over these 150s for both the M1X and M2X.
Rented one recently in Vietnam for a month. They are great little scoots. Pretty much bulletproof.
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Yes students are required to supply their own bikes for M2 exit here. But the minimum requirement for highway is 125CCOur school does the M2X-equivalent on our own bikes and the engine size needs to be 200cc and up to qualify for a full M.
Otherwise, we'd be all over these 150s for both the M1X and M2X.
Rented one recently in Vietnam for a month. They are great little scoots. Pretty much bulletproof.
I'm curious about the 125cc stipulation for a full-speed motorcycle.
I've heard that mentioned many times on the Internet (GTAM, Reddit, different websites) but can't find that specific engine size restriction on the official MTO website. In fact, the only definition that MTO lists is for a LSM:
Get a motorcycle licence
If you are at least 16 years old, you can apply for a motorcycle licence in Ontario. If you are a new rider, you will need to practice riding and gain experience over time. Here’s how to get a motorcycle licence.
Which leads me to believe that anything that can go over 70 km/h, over 50cc, has a manual transmission and isn't a step-through would be considered a Full-Speed Motorcycle because it isn't an LSM.
I'm sure you're right and maybe my Google-Fu skills are sub-par, but where does it cite in the MTO Motorcycle Handbook or website that a bike has to be at least 125cc to be a Full-Speed Motorcycle?
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As far as I understand it, it's 'our' minimum requirement. Not sure what if anything the HTA says about it.I'm curious about the 125cc stipulation for a full-speed motorcycle.
I've heard that mentioned many times on the Internet (GTAM, Reddit, different websites) but can't find that specific engine size restriction on the official MTO website. In fact, the only definition that MTO lists is for a LSM:
Get a motorcycle licence
If you are at least 16 years old, you can apply for a motorcycle licence in Ontario. If you are a new rider, you will need to practice riding and gain experience over time. Here’s how to get a motorcycle licence.www.ontario.ca
Which leads me to believe that anything that can go over 70 km/h, over 50cc, has a manual transmission and isn't a step-through would be considered a Full-Speed Motorcycle because it isn't an LSM.
I'm sure you're right and maybe my Google-Fu skills are sub-par, but where does it cite in the MTO Motorcycle Handbook or website that a bike has to be at least 125cc to be a Full-Speed Motorcycle?
After doing some digging, @Evoex is right. 125cc is a school restriction, not an HTA restriction.
HTA says minimum engine size for 400 series highways is 50cc:
Highway Traffic Act R.R.O. 1990, REGULATION 630
e-Laws | Ontario.ca
100 km/h is the maximum speed (110 km/h on selected stretches), not the minimum. You can ride under that limit. You may be tailgated, honked at and given the finger while doing so, but unless explicitly signed, there is no minimum speed limit on 400-series highways - lest everyone sitting on the 401 at 5:30PM on a weekday would be handed out tickets.
I believe I've seen a 60 km/h minimum sign somewhere though (Hwy 402 near Sarnia, I think?)
So if you take your full M-test with the MTO instead of at a school, you can show up with a 51cc motorcycle and still be able to take the test. The tester may use their discretion and take you on 80 km/h highways instead of the 400-series highway, for safety reasons.
Edit: only min speed sign I could find online was one in Quebec (Hwy 40):
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boyoboy
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I drove virgin mobile's double decker, 1940's, left hand drive bus, from mississauga to downtown montreal and back for the F1 race hoopla stuff. the bus was speed resricted to 65 km/hr. some 401 underpasses req'd me in the centre lane for height. it was hell lol 50cc bike!! yikesyikes.
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cvcb
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That is a very interesting point you guys bring here, thanks to clarify. I always wondered that. The school I did my M (sometime ago) had Honda CG 150 made in Brazil. They said it was only for training purposes, it could not go on the road because speed limitations, which I thought was bs.After doing some digging, @Evoex is right. 125cc is a school restriction, not an HTA restriction.
HTA says minimum engine size for 400 series highways is 50cc:
Highway Traffic Act R.R.O. 1990, REGULATION 630
e-Laws | Ontario.ca
www.ontario.ca
100 km/h is the maximum speed (110 km/h on selected stretches), not the minimum. You can ride under that limit. You may be tailgated, honked at and given the finger while doing so, but unless explicitly signed, there is no minimum speed limit on 400-series highways. I believe I've seen a 60 km/h minimum sign somewhere though (Hwy 402 near Sarnia, I think?)
So if you take your full M-test with the MTO instead of at a school, you can show up with a 51cc motorcycle and still be able to take the test. The tester may use their discretion and take you on 80 km/h highways instead of the 400-series highway, for safety reasons.
Edit: only min speed sign I could find online was one in Quebec (Hwy 40):
TK4
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It couldn't go on the road because it was never MOT approved. They were imported by Honda Canada for school use only.
Looks like a good option for light off road duty
cvcb
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yeah its at least 125 for sure, because we have students doing their M on Groms.
Nice! Too bad we have nothing like that anywhere near the GTA.
It is beautiful country. I literally live 30 minutes east of the Thompson Plateau, it's a great place to do some dual-sporting.
Even if you don't ride dirt, the paved roads in the area are still stunning:
Emphasis on light. The XR150L has a 19" front but the front suspension travel is only 5.9" - on the lower-side for dual-sport duty. Fine for graded gravel or dirt roads, but anything bumpier than fist-sized rocks and you'll bottom out the forks quite violently, especially if you're a larger or aggressive rider.
DAMHIK...
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