Make sure your pisser works before you head out. It may need a new impeller.
Help with identifying this outboard boat motor
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Well you could call it a telltale if you want, but that is a much less descriptive term.
Mad Mike
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You might be worrying to much, how did you determine it needs a new prop seal? If the motor has been sitting for a while, the seals might be dry. The lower unit will be marine hypoid oil, probably SAE 90.
before tearing it apart, I’d clean up outside, then fill it with oil, run the motor with muffs or in a barrel for 5 minutes. Wipe it down, leave it for a day to see if it leaks. A drop or two over a day won’t hurt. If it pours out you have a problem.
The impeller is another story, change that unless you are sure it’s been changed recently. An old impeller that has nor run will reform it shape and lose its elastic memory. It may will run fine for a few minutes or hours then crumble to pieces. For 30 bucks, change it.
before tearing it apart, I’d clean up outside, then fill it with oil, run the motor with muffs or in a barrel for 5 minutes. Wipe it down, leave it for a day to see if it leaks. A drop or two over a day won’t hurt. If it pours out you have a problem.
The impeller is another story, change that unless you are sure it’s been changed recently. An old impeller that has nor run will reform it shape and lose its elastic memory. It may will run fine for a few minutes or hours then crumble to pieces. For 30 bucks, change it.
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@mimico_polak
Here she is.
It's nothing special but lots of work put into to by the previous owner who is a family friend.
All stainless steel screws/hinges. Converted it to a steering wheel boat and added a battery for lights and electric start.
Compartments for storage and a cooler.
4 location for seat mounting.
@GreyGhost , as per your request I managed to snap a pic of her peeing.
@Mad Mike
Bad news (I think) for your picture request.
That is the result of fresh gearbox oil (Johnson/Evinrude brand) and engine running in large garage pail for about 1 hr 20min.
This picture was taken about 3 hours after the engine stopped running.
To me it looks like milky oil which is not what I want.
I will be visiting Klaus Marine on Tuesday and I am hoping the gentleman there can tell me that all is good, or at least good enough to run and use the boat.
I am hoping I can delay the reseal till the off season. I don't really want to spend $500 on a reseal job right now and I don't know if I would have the time to do it myself right now or be able to get my hands on a seal kit.
Any other advise would be greatly appreciated.
Here she is.
It's nothing special but lots of work put into to by the previous owner who is a family friend.
All stainless steel screws/hinges. Converted it to a steering wheel boat and added a battery for lights and electric start.
Compartments for storage and a cooler.
4 location for seat mounting.
@GreyGhost , as per your request I managed to snap a pic of her peeing.
@Mad Mike
Bad news (I think) for your picture request.
That is the result of fresh gearbox oil (Johnson/Evinrude brand) and engine running in large garage pail for about 1 hr 20min.
This picture was taken about 3 hours after the engine stopped running.
To me it looks like milky oil which is not what I want.
I will be visiting Klaus Marine on Tuesday and I am hoping the gentleman there can tell me that all is good, or at least good enough to run and use the boat.
I am hoping I can delay the reseal till the off season. I don't really want to spend $500 on a reseal job right now and I don't know if I would have the time to do it myself right now or be able to get my hands on a seal kit.
Any other advise would be greatly appreciated.
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Agree, that gear oil is not looking great for being brand new (although you could have had some leftover water from the contaminated goo you dumped out the first time). I would take some spare gear oil to the cottage and check it part way through the week and change if required. Keep the motor out of the water when you aren't using it.
I would agree but what makes me thing this is not the case is that when I lowered the engine, I only got about 2 table spoons or oil coming out the the propeller. When I opened the oil fill/drain plug, I only got about a teaspoon of oil with more more water coming out.
In total the gearbox should take about 11 oz of oil. So where did the rest go? To me that would probably be a sign of bad seals and the oil disappearing into places it shouldn't be in or out into the water or air.
But I could be wrong.
Yes I will be taking the remaining oil that's in the bottle and monitor it.
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GOOD NEWS.
Boat is fixed and ready for the water.
I was not ready to dish out $500 as per Klaus Marine at this time so I did some more searching.
I came across an ad on Kijiji where a gentleman was selling different boat motor parts etc. He had about 40 ads at the time. (My theory was to maybe replace the gearbox box instead of repairing it).
I called the gentleman, and it turns out the Hans also repairs boat motor at a VERY REASONABLE rate of $40 an hour. He is retired at this point and fixes them out of his backyard shed. He has been working on boats for decades. Very nice man.
I described the issue and he confirmed that it would most likely be the seals and he could get it repaired for me within $300 including parts.
I ended up picking up the parts myself from Dundas Marine .
Got a gearbox reseal kit and a water pump kit all for $170. I figured while the bottom end was apart might as well rebuilt both, gearbox and water pump.
Hans charged me $160 for 4 hours of labour. So $320 later I am a happy customer and should well running motor for many years to come.
The problem was cause by wear and tear and age as well a a fishing line wound up in the properer shaft.
I actually asked for advise from their service tech when purchasing the parts and he spoke highly of Hans. Dundas Marine does not work on anything older than year 2000.
Here is his contact info if anyone is interested. He is in the Beamsville Area.
Hans Van Keulen
Outboard Motor Repairs
905-687-7675
Beamsville ON
Boat is fixed and ready for the water.
I was not ready to dish out $500 as per Klaus Marine at this time so I did some more searching.
I came across an ad on Kijiji where a gentleman was selling different boat motor parts etc. He had about 40 ads at the time. (My theory was to maybe replace the gearbox box instead of repairing it).
I called the gentleman, and it turns out the Hans also repairs boat motor at a VERY REASONABLE rate of $40 an hour. He is retired at this point and fixes them out of his backyard shed. He has been working on boats for decades. Very nice man.
I described the issue and he confirmed that it would most likely be the seals and he could get it repaired for me within $300 including parts.
I ended up picking up the parts myself from Dundas Marine .
Got a gearbox reseal kit and a water pump kit all for $170. I figured while the bottom end was apart might as well rebuilt both, gearbox and water pump.
Hans charged me $160 for 4 hours of labour. So $320 later I am a happy customer and should well running motor for many years to come.
The problem was cause by wear and tear and age as well a a fishing line wound up in the properer shaft.
I actually asked for advise from their service tech when purchasing the parts and he spoke highly of Hans. Dundas Marine does not work on anything older than year 2000.
Here is his contact info if anyone is interested. He is in the Beamsville Area.
Hans Van Keulen
Outboard Motor Repairs
905-687-7675
Beamsville ON
If the impeller is old and dry it may crumble and bits could end up anywhere in the system. Had it happen with an IO.
Sale fell through (buyer bought another boat before coming to look at ours) so I took it out for a cruise. At the farthest point in the lake it died. Got a tow back from some friendly cottagers and brought it back to figure out where spark went. Ugh. Charge coil came loose under the flywheel and started to bang around. That took out the flywheel magnets, stator, sensor, plate and a few smaller parts. Amazing. Great reliability during our ownership and the farewell cruise chews up a crap ton of money (flywheel is 700 US, plate and stator are unavailable, sensor and charge coil are about 40 US each). Oh well, pulled the ad and on the search for parts. On the upside, the impeller is working great.
You should be able to find a parts motor sitting about, or call a few 'service guys' , they seem to stock pile older motors.
Never take a boat (car, snowmobile,bike) out for a swan song once you have decided to sell it. Karma is a spiteful person.
OTOH , lucky for the f'er that didnt buy the boat, I'm usually pretty disappointed when an engine packs it in on my first ride. LOL
Never take a boat (car, snowmobile,bike) out for a swan song once you have decided to sell it. Karma is a spiteful person.
OTOH , lucky for the f'er that didnt buy the boat, I'm usually pretty disappointed when an engine packs it in on my first ride. LOL
Yeah. My conscience would have been clear as it was running perfectly but I would have felt bad for the guy that bought it. My brother and dad care about boats and have contacts. They are getting people to rummage through their stockpiles. I put 50 hours on since I added the hour meter and if the boat market is similar next spring, it will sell for a little more than I have into it.
Damn you boat people...seems like it's a lot of fun!
At least you got towed...so what happens if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere...who (and how) do you call for help?Nothing says fun like getting towed 7.5 km with kids in the boat and a dead engine
You're facked. Seriously. Paddling a power boat more than a few hundred meters is an exercise in futility. If you are going places where help is not available, make sure you have some redundancy (2nd motor or boat of some sort). Some marinas will come and rescue you but it will take a while and be expensive (they trailer a boat to your lake, launch it, tow you and then reverse the process). Realistically, given the wind if a tow was not available, head to shore (hopefully near a road), get a car ride and come back for the boat with reinforcements (parts or trailer or boat or . . .)
I could have called my FIL for a tow, but we were on the far side of a shallow stretch littered with rocks and logs and didn't want him to bring his boat through. Nice person number one towed me to the bad part and then I told him not to go through as it was downwind on the way home so we would blow/paddle our way through and call for a tow on the other side. Nice person number two had a jetski and towed us through the bad part. FIL towed my wife around to the launch to get it back on a trailer. I expected it had just fouled a plug as it lost one cylinder before it died. I was wrong.
@GreyGhost So basically some luck...and a lot of money.
