How many patches per badge? At 1000 members and 100K+ per badge, that's a hell of a lot of money we are spending for almost zero prosecutions.
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Hells Angels
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DoubleDonut
Active member
Any chance that you are confusing dentists wearing leather jacket to look tough with actual HA members? I dont think it is possible for a law abiding citizen to actually join HA.
I dont think I know any current members. I know people that were invited in long ago and they were straight laced.
Mikedezo44
Well-known member
If that were the case it wouldn't take too long to have many locked up. Not many charges lately, just yearly photo shoots by police at Port Dover and other events with their long zoom lenses that don't seem to amount to much.
DoubleDonut
Active member
Perhaps they were invited to become a hangaround/associate/prospect? I don't think you can be "invited" to become an actual member.
Kinda like the scenery at Dover....
HarleyHare
Well-known member
I like how some people like to be experts and offer random unfounded not-factual observations. That is precisely how truth gets distorted and a lie gets passed on.
Let me tell you about the real world. My brother-in-law was talked into joining the HA and was brain-washed how they give to charities and kids charity rides and the whole smoke-screen activities. He said there are doctors and lawyers who are members. I don't doubt that, but all have a criminal element. They even told him how they laundered drug and human-trafficking/prostitution/pimping money through a small credit union.
In fact they courted him for a year and gave him a jacket. But when the year was up they told him there was one more step to full initiation. And that was a mission to preform an assigned criminal act. Now my brother-in-law has done some shady stuff that bordered on criminal but this gang initiation troubled him. He mulled it over and told them he couldn't do it. They asked for their jacket back and that ended a path in life fraught with being one step ahead of the law or a prison sentence or early death. Good choice brother-in-law.
Agree with @HarleyHare ... these are NOT good people. They don't join to give to charities, have a bbq, and be a part of a 'family'.
These are criminals. Pure and simple. Sure maybe some of them are only dipping their toe into the underworld, but the fact is these are criminals and you will be a criminal at some point in your life if you elect to / are invited to join.
There's this romanticized viewpoint of the thug / gangsta / MC life...reality is often very much different than what is perceived to the outer world.
It's all a show to gain support from the local community so they don't poo where they live, but I don't think any of their 'charity' work is because they give a poop. Smoke and mirrors.
EDIT: These are my thoughts, as I have zero real world experience of this life...or care to partake in it.
These are criminals. Pure and simple. Sure maybe some of them are only dipping their toe into the underworld, but the fact is these are criminals and you will be a criminal at some point in your life if you elect to / are invited to join.
There's this romanticized viewpoint of the thug / gangsta / MC life...reality is often very much different than what is perceived to the outer world.
It's all a show to gain support from the local community so they don't poo where they live, but I don't think any of their 'charity' work is because they give a poop. Smoke and mirrors.
EDIT: These are my thoughts, as I have zero real world experience of this life...or care to partake in it.
If 12 people are sitting at a table and 1 is a Nazi…….
The charity work the MC's do is just basic public relations. They're trying to to sucker people into believing the "we're just a group of guys who ride motorcycles" BS to improve their image.
You'll note that a large number of the bikers in attendance are not HA, they belong to the feeder clubs. These people aspire to be HA at some point down the road and they're desperate to prove themselves worthy. They do most of the day-to-day dirty work, including the intimidation and enforcement part, and you'd be well advised to stay clear of these people.
I was at a shop getting a tire changed and about 15 members of a feeder club rode in with a tire problem. The lead guy told us they were on a run, one of the guys had a slow leak and did we mind if they went to the front of the line........... Of the 10+ people there waiting for service no one, including me, said boo. The guy with the slow leak was wearing a T shirt that stated "I Failed Anger Management" and he didn't looked like a very friendly guy. 30 minutes later the tire was fixed and they rode off. Owner came out to apologize to us saying it was better to just get them on their way than to argue with them. I agree he did the right thing by fast tracking them through.
You'll note that a large number of the bikers in attendance are not HA, they belong to the feeder clubs. These people aspire to be HA at some point down the road and they're desperate to prove themselves worthy. They do most of the day-to-day dirty work, including the intimidation and enforcement part, and you'd be well advised to stay clear of these people.
I was at a shop getting a tire changed and about 15 members of a feeder club rode in with a tire problem. The lead guy told us they were on a run, one of the guys had a slow leak and did we mind if they went to the front of the line........... Of the 10+ people there waiting for service no one, including me, said boo. The guy with the slow leak was wearing a T shirt that stated "I Failed Anger Management" and he didn't looked like a very friendly guy. 30 minutes later the tire was fixed and they rode off. Owner came out to apologize to us saying it was better to just get them on their way than to argue with them. I agree he did the right thing by fast tracking them through.
Mikedezo44
Well-known member
Just for clarity would not have been a full member vest if not patched member. would have just said prospect on the front and if he went far enough, next would be "Ontario" on the bottom of back but no logo in the middle or club name at the top. So many think it'll be fun and "cool" etc, until you get a call at 11pm on a Sunday night when you're getting ready for bed "Go pick up so and so 2 hours away" and forget about asking for gas money lol.
Most of them are 70 years old, you ride across the country on a Harley when you're 70.A truck load of their bikes came in from western Canada. What a bunch of frauds! They don't even ride!
I might on a new Gold-wing.
Or on a Yamaha when you are 69. Just sayin.Most of them are 70 years old, you ride across the country on a Harley when you're 70.
I might on a new Gold-wing.
ProfesorFrink
Member
I never understood the concept of a biker gang. It's like a bunch of guys got together and said "ok, we're going to form a gang and do all the illegal **** that gangs normally do.. BUT we are going to use only one mode of transportation"
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... something like that.
Mostly GIs that came back from WW2 and were looking for excitement... one of these small "gangs" was the "****** Off Bastards of Bloomington" and they had a run to Hollister (which is why Hollister is famous... mostly from THIS picture, which was faked. The guy that really owned that bike, not the guy in the picture, has been suing the magazine since the first time that picture appeared in 1948) that got nation wide media coverage (even though the "RIOT" was mostly drunken locals and was done with the blessing of the local police, that blocked off the streets for bike races, and ... drunken riots), then to cash in on the "biker" mania: they made the movie "The Wild One" with James Dean... and EVERYBODY wanted to be James Dean...(HE'S SO DREAMY) and a couple of years later, we get Hell's Angels from the ashes of the "bastards" club.... then the "bastards" got back together.....
In response to the "Hollister Riot" the president of the American Motorcycle Assn. said that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding people, and 1% are NOT... so bikers are "1% ers".
Sonny Barger, the long time US National HA president, when asked if he had regrets, didn't mention the violence or murders, the human trafficking or the drug dealing that ruined millions of lives, or the racism or the antisemitism... said that he regretted being Harley centric "Honda makes a pretty good bike".
... so from where I sit: it's MOSTLY cosplay, right from the beginning.
One of the oldest and longest lasting "biker"gangs is the Booze Fighters (The owner of the bike in the picture above was a Booze Fighter). They predate the Hells by a couple of years Started by the life time president Wino Willie.They raced bikes and got drunk... not necessarily in that order... That's cosplay I could get in to.
said that he regretted being Harley centric "Honda makes a pretty good bike".
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