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Hayabusa. 20 and out.

Brian P said:
I wouldn't put much faith in stock-bike horsepower numbers for any of the big-bore bikes any more. They're all drive-by-wire, and they're all restricted. As long as they don't lock down the ECU to prevent reflashing ... no big deal.
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So true. The numbers don't mean much until we see some with the usual exhaust and safe tune (or even just a tune...), will free some power. The restrictions are becoming absurd in how poorly they need to tune them.
 
I'd like to know if those complaining about the lack of power have ever spent a day riding a gen 1, or gen 2?
 
Gary said:
I'd like to know if those complaining about the lack of power have ever spent a day riding a gen 1, or gen 2?
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I have not and it is by no means underpowered. It was always this holy grail fire breathing beast though. Now it is just an also ran. I'm not saying it is underpowered, it is just meh compared to the competition. I was hoping for it to be reborn on top of the throne not just an emissions and lighting update.
 
Personally.
I was hoping for cruise control. Win.
Heated grips would have been a nice touch. I see no mention. Fail.
Better / led lighting. Win.
Linked braking. I hate that ****. Fail.
Quick shift, and all the other electronic / nanny gizmos mean zero to me. If all that **** has an off switch. Win. No off switch? Fail.
Front signals in the mirrors would make sense (to me). Fail.
The near 50% increase in price is nonsense. Major Fail.
 
Gary said:
I'd like to know if those complaining about the lack of power have ever spent a day riding a gen 1, or gen 2?
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Me being disappointed in this bike has a lot less to do with power staying the same and a lot more to do with weight staying the same, combined with the significant price bump. 200 hp and 110+ lb.ft of torque is plenty, but 586 lbs is more than necessary. In the end, the problem is more that they haven't changed much and are charging a lot more.

For the record, I owned a ZX-14 for half a year. While that bike didn't meet my wants in many ways, a shortage of power was never an issue...

PS - According to the MCN video, heated grips will be available as an option
 
The busa weight never, ever bothered me. ('09 & '13)
I'd hate to see weight shaved, and distort the ride. It's possible to lose some of that ultimate smoothness.
My fjr is about a hundo more than a busa, but the fjr feels at least 50X heavier.
I sat on buddy's heritage soft tail and I broke out in laughter. He seemed offended. I told him it was weightless. Then he was ok.

Priller? How much do you figure it should weigh?
And if you don't mind.......why is it important? (for a busa)
 
Gary said:
The busa weight never, ever bothered me. ('09 & '13)
I'd hate to see weight shaved, and distort the ride. It's possible to lose some of that ultimate smoothness.
My fjr is about a hundo more than a busa, but the fjr feels at least 50X heavier.
I sat on buddy's heritage soft tail and I broke out in laughter. He seemed offended. I told him it was weightless. Then he was ok.

Priller? How much do you figure it should weigh?
And if you don't mind.......why is it important? (for a busa)
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I'll grant you the weight is carried low, so it's easy to manage at a stop and low speeds. Weight generally is bad, though. Makes transitions more work, affects fuel mileage, lengthens braking distances, slows acceleration, etc. The transitions part is one of the biggest reasons I got rid of my ZX-14, as it was work on a twisty road. Some work is fun, but that wasn't fun. I get that it's not a sportbike, but it's not a tourer either, so weight still matters.

As for what it should weigh, I would expect them to have been able to drop at least 50 lbs. Litre bikes make similar power (though 20-30 lb.ft less torque) weighing less than 450 lbs fully wet. For similar money and with similar tech, I don't see why they couldn't get the 'Busa down to 525ish lbs and keep the power and torque from the last gen. The motor doesn't displace much more than the RSV4 or Panigale V4 anyway...
 
Priller said:
This is what Suzuki has become. Facelifts hyped as new models.

New fairing, IMU, huge price bump. Power changes are essentially meaningless, it's still ridiculously heavy, and is now also expensive. As motors have gotten lighter and superbikes have crept up to 1100 cc, the 'Busa is even losing it's straightliner status. At this point, it's an impractical and lardy sport-tourer. Also, those exhausts are hilariously large, even by Euro 5 standards...

See also B-King, Katana et al for over promising and under delivering. The current GSX-R1000 is a shadow of its former self, so far behind the competition that it mostly gets excluded from comparison tests (and the cheap one is still listed at $20k for 2021). Aside from discounted value, I'm hard pressed to think of a single Suzuki bike that's class-leading.
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You open up a challenge... what is class leading?

I think Suzuki has carved out a solid lineup of journeyman bikes. As a whole, they are extremely dependable, offer decently refined engines and transmissions, suspensions, and are electrically reliable. They usually price leaders and always best in TCO. They may not be “the gee whiz Leader” in any segment, but in terms of market shipments the have figured out how to hang with the leaders in a lot of segments.

Suzuki’s do/are the Yeoman's role in motorcycles, they might not be the shootout winner in any market, but being #1 or two in shipments across a broad range of motorcycle segments is a pretty big feat.
 
KWDRZ said:
Cause acceleration on a dyno is totally real life, weird video title. What is this even showing?
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A cool TFT display? A before shot of BMW electronics?
 
Brian P said:
The drag racers won't care about that, but actual drag racers are surely a pretty small part of their sales volume. They need to appeal to the street / sport-touring customers, too.
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The Hayabusa is a very unique bike, like many bikes, it has a cultish appeal. Buyers aren’t doing an excel spreadsheet feature/benefit and specs comparison - they just know they want one.

I had a 2nd gen. I didn’t need one, I just wanted one. Same story from so many Busa riders I met, they don’t compare their bikes to other brands.

Owning one is an experience onto itself.
 
Gary said:
The busa weight never, ever bothered me. ('09 & '13)
I'd hate to see weight shaved, and distort the ride. It's possible to lose some of that ultimate smoothness.
My fjr is about a hundo more than a busa, but the fjr feels at least 50X heavier.
I sat on buddy's heritage soft tail and I broke out in laughter. He seemed offended. I told him it was weightless. Then he was ok.

Priller? How much do you figure it should weigh?
And if you don't mind.......why is it important? (for a busa)
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I had my FJR and Busa at the same time, both tipped the scale at 266kg. They are both heavy, but the Busa is shorter and feels lighter.

I think the weight goes hand in hand with a muscular bike. They could shave a few lbs off, but why? Why introduce unnecessary dependability or costs? Leave that stuff to the Euro makers - Suzuki is known for rock solid dependability and reasonable prices, lose that and the lose the brand.
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