thats what makes this world so great, i think it as a step for harley and one that i hope has success for them, most things that has an engine or motor in it i think is cool in some way or other
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thats what makes this world so great, i think it as a step for harley and one that i hope has success for them, most things that has an engine or motor in it i think is cool in some way or other
bigpoppa
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It was just the first pic in a google search for rapper grill. It nailed the teeth and lips perfectly.
I’d rather a Buell Ulysses over that.
I think HD is stuck. They need to come out with something exciting, functional and competitive.
There are HD owners that have other bikes from other brands. BMW GS or Indian or Japanese whatever. But, they have them because they have and enjoy their HD Road or Street Glide and then want something performs well in it’s intended design.
I don’t see this being of interest for people getting into ADV rides. And I don’t see existing HD owners being attracted to it as a secondary ride or transition from touring to ADV.
There will always be the odd buyer looking for something different and quirky. But, it’s not going to gain market share HD is losing to others.
If they could examine the Buell and update it with a modern power plant and modern electronics , keep the weight down, they would have a winner. I think they could even get away with keeping the belt final drive.
But, I’ve never purchased new motorcycle in my life.......
I think HD is stuck. They need to come out with something exciting, functional and competitive.
There are HD owners that have other bikes from other brands. BMW GS or Indian or Japanese whatever. But, they have them because they have and enjoy their HD Road or Street Glide and then want something performs well in it’s intended design.
I don’t see this being of interest for people getting into ADV rides. And I don’t see existing HD owners being attracted to it as a secondary ride or transition from touring to ADV.
There will always be the odd buyer looking for something different and quirky. But, it’s not going to gain market share HD is losing to others.
If they could examine the Buell and update it with a modern power plant and modern electronics , keep the weight down, they would have a winner. I think they could even get away with keeping the belt final drive.
But, I’ve never purchased new motorcycle in my life.......
This looks like fun. About 2 minutes in is where it gets relevant.
Well that looked like a lot of fun until they degraded to seven year olds and started spraying each other with silly string for half of the video.
I've taken dumps that were better looking.
If they think that thing is actually going to sell in anywhere near significant numbers....................RIP Harley Davidson. Your base is dying off, and that ain't the answer.
If they think that thing is actually going to sell in anywhere near significant numbers....................RIP Harley Davidson. Your base is dying off, and that ain't the answer.
I've done all that, both the riding a cruiser in the dirt as well as the parking lot shenanigans. Got the photos and drone video to prove it as well lol.
Oddly enough the Motorcycle Masters advanced rider training T-Shirt is even the same colour as the one those guys were wearing. So you could say....I've done all that and got the Tshirt too! lol
Except for the silly string silliness....to be clear. ?
If HD asked me I would have told them to take the 750 street engine, outsource the design of a modern, midsized, performance oriented (handling, suspension & reliability, obviously not HP) adventure bike priced competitively, namely without a "brand premium" worked in. At the same time I'd offer a down market alternative with less sophisticated suspension and a lower seat height. The design should have no HD styling cues (such as the tank shape on the adventure behemoth), a unique or resurrected HD logo, name brand suspension, brake and any other parts possible, and chain drive. It should also be assembled EXCLUSIVELY in the USA , but be emissions compliant in Europe.
Ramp up the appropriate marketing machines, including test rides on appropriate roads or at events, and incentivize the crap out of it at the dealer level, to the point that they can make good money selling, servicing and accessorizing them. The dealers who choose to poo-poo the bike and remain focused on their traditional customers can do so. The client will figure out where they're welcome.
If it works or shows promise after a couple years, use the platform or process to bring out other models.
If it doesn't work, then just accept that your share of the overall market will decline gradually and focus on build and customer-experience quality and organizational profitability.
Ramp up the appropriate marketing machines, including test rides on appropriate roads or at events, and incentivize the crap out of it at the dealer level, to the point that they can make good money selling, servicing and accessorizing them. The dealers who choose to poo-poo the bike and remain focused on their traditional customers can do so. The client will figure out where they're welcome.
If it works or shows promise after a couple years, use the platform or process to bring out other models.
If it doesn't work, then just accept that your share of the overall market will decline gradually and focus on build and customer-experience quality and organizational profitability.
No one would buy a Harley without the price premium it is better because it costs more reduced prices would be death for Harley.
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