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H-D kills off more models ?

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Evoex said:
lol well. they all start somewhere, someone has to be the guinea pig!
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Last time i had my oil changed at a dealer (18 yr ago), i looked under the bike and saw the filter was scratched up. A closer look and it was obvious it had been snugged up with channelocks. Dents too.
Back inside. They complained about the loss of full synthetic, but they did it anyway. Service manager said it's fine to use pliers. Not on my bike!
 
GreyGhost said:
No reason to drop 5 to 10K on stages if your bike came with 160 hp off the floor. They know that the majority will get at least the first few stages at super high margins.
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Correct, but only up to a certain margin. Victory 106 and Indian 111 were handily outperforming the HD 103/107 but the difference wasn't big enough to make the HD faithful demand more from oem. Now Indian has thrown in a LC motor and making 122HP and 128tq. My friends 2015 Streetglide with a $10,000+ stage 4 is just barely over 100hp and a similar mod on the newer M8 107 isn't much of a jump up. That's a big gap and HD buyers will for sure start demanding more off the floor without stages.

Edit: that same Harley, he's got $80,000 so far invested in it, and twice he's gotten it back from the dealer with an oil leak after oil change, and once missing a muffler clamp after some type of recall and had to argue that the clamp was indeed on the bike when he brought it in.
 
pfbmgd said:
...Part of the hesitation to moving to liquid cooling is...
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This is the elephant in the room.

They have no choice but to pull out thier air cooled bikes from those countries due to emissions. I'm not sure which orgs are pushing back, whether its the operations, sales/marketing, or even more senior...

I liked thier Bronx prototype, and then they axe it until further notice.
 
Hardwrkr13 said:
Correct, but only up to a certain margin. Victory 106 and Indian 111 were handily outperforming the HD 103/107 but the difference wasn't big enough to make the HD faithful demand more from oem. Now Indian has thrown in a LC motor and making 122HP and 128tq. My friends 2015 Streetglide with a $10,000+ stage 4 is just barely over 100hp and a similar mod on the newer M8 107 isn't much of a jump up. That's a big gap and HD buyers will for sure start demanding more off the floor without stages.

Edit: that same Harley, he's got $80,000 so far invested in it, and twice he's gotten it back from the dealer with an oil leak after oil change, and once missing a muffler clamp after some type of recall and had to argue that the clamp was indeed on the bike when he brought it in.
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There is a reason a lot of the HD riders refer to the dealers as "stealerships". The service department really needs a overhaul in attidute, still feels like an old boys club. Sometimes you can get luckly and can have a decent conversation with someone with actual knowledge other times not so much.

Last time I look at the specs for the Indian Darkhorse and the HD M8 they seemed very comparable, like neck and neck. But spec's for sure don't paint the complete picture on performance. Also HD was working on a near 2000 CC CVO model which seems pretty crazy.
 
sburns said:
There is a reason a lot of the HD riders refer to the dealers as "stealerships". The service department really needs a overhaul in attidute, still feels like an old boys club. Sometimes you can get luckly and can have a decent conversation with someone with actual knowledge other times not so much.

Last time I look at the specs for the Indian Darkhorse and the HD M8 they seemed very comparable, like neck and neck. But spec's for sure don't paint the complete picture on performance. Also HD was working on a near 2000 CC CVO model which seems pretty crazy.
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Dark Horse is just a trim. The older Indian 111 makes less hp but more tq than the comparable HD M8 (because Indian just wanted a lazy torque monster which is what it is). The Victory 106 make more HP and similar TQ to the M8 in comparison (and more than the HD 103 obviously) but in bagger form I can confirm the Victory is faster than either (actually much faster) in acceleration and especially fuel economy.
HD's M8 is claimed 92HP and 102ish tq. In comparison Indian's new motor is now a claimed 122hp and 128tq. That's leagues above HD's.
HD has had a 120ci motor for a while as an optional bolt in (saw one sitting in the dealer while we were in one of the southern states when a friends Road Glide fuel pump crapped out. iirc it was in the $13,000usd ballpark for it at the time in 2018. Not known to be an overly reliable motor though so I've heard.
 
Cuz everyone wants to go drag racing on an Indian Challenger Dark Horse and a Harley Street Glide. It's the new way.
 
sburns said:
There is a reason a lot of the HD riders refer to the dealers as "stealerships". The service department really needs a overhaul in attidute, still feels like an old boys club. Sometimes you can get luckly and can have a decent conversation with someone with actual knowledge other times not so much.

Last time I look at the specs for the Indian Darkhorse and the HD M8 they seemed very comparable, like neck and neck. But spec's for sure don't paint the complete picture on performance. Also HD was working on a near 2000 CC CVO model which seems pretty crazy.
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Crazy indeed. If you NEED a 2 liter bike maybe riding isn't for you.
 
pfbmgd said:
Tuning is one thing on a car . Installing new cams and pistons for a stage 4 in HD is a bit different . You are spending and extra 5K plus . For something the factory should have installed from the beginning .

I have to disagree with the air cooled vs liquid cooled . You specialize on air cooled for years . Your liquid cooled wrench skills will not be up to par for modern engines . Motorcycle air cooled engines are one of the easiest engines to work on .
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Hmmm. I don’t know about that, I work on both and I’m not a mechanic by trade. There is no rocket science in a Vrod, if you can fix a klr, you can do a Vrod.
 
Hardwrkr13 said:
Correct, but only up to a certain margin. Victory 106 and Indian 111 were handily outperforming the HD 103/107 but the difference wasn't big enough to make the HD faithful demand more from oem. Now Indian has thrown in a LC motor and making 122HP and 128tq. My friends 2015 Streetglide with a $10,000+ stage 4 is just barely over 100hp and a similar mod on the newer M8 107 isn't much of a jump up. That's a big gap and HD buyers will for sure start demanding more off the floor without stages.

Edit: that same Harley, he's got $80,000 so far invested in it, and twice he's gotten it back from the dealer with an oil leak after oil change, and once missing a muffler clamp after some type of recall and had to argue that the clamp was indeed on the bike when he brought it in.
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The new 1200cc HD’s are capable of those numbers, the new PanAm is 150/95 — the Indian is 40% bigger displacement.
 
Mad Mike said:
The new 1200cc HD’s are capable of those numbers, the new PanAm is 150/95 — the Indian is 40% bigger displacement.
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well yes...it also revs to 9,000rpm. Indian is 6? 7?

But kudos to HD for finally doing something new.
 
Mad Mike said:
The new 1200cc HD’s are capable of those numbers, the new PanAm is 150/95 — the Indian is 40% bigger displacement.
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Yup, although I don’t see your point as it’s not currently in any of their touring models which is what I’m comparing. They brought out a liquid motor and stuck it in a bike out of their norm (Vrod) and then killed both. Now they’re doing it again so we’ll see if they evolution some of their other models with it or whether it dies the same death.
 
Mad Mike said:
Hmmm. I don’t know about that, I work on both and I’m not a mechanic by trade. There is no rocket science in a Vrod, if you can fix a klr, you can do a Vrod.
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Mike are you dissing my klr?
 
Hardwrkr13 said:
Yup, although I don’t see your point as it’s not currently in any of their touring models which is what I’m comparing. They brought out a liquid motor and stuck it in a bike out of their norm (Vrod) and then killed both. Now they’re doing it again so we’ll see if they evolution some of their other models with it or whether it dies the same death.
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How did that motor (vrod) not end up in buells?
 
Scuba Steve said:
Because it was way too heavy Harley put a ton of dead weight on it to make it look pretty.
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100% correct.
HD added like 80-100 lbs of dead metal weight to make it look right in the v-rod... that in turn, made it unusable in a sport bike.

Sigh.
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