I have no real issue with HD. I think they are overpriced and underpowered but that has been their thing for decades and they have survived so obviously others feel differently.While it is perfectly ok to dislike a product, brand, etc.
Posting something only to dismiss it, says more about you than your post...
I got nothing against Harley motorcycles, I've owned two... NOTHING eats super slab like a Road King. NOTHING.While it is perfectly ok to dislike a product, brand, etc.
Posting something only to dismiss it, says more about you than your post...
You're not their target market. They want the sheep. The sheep will pay anything to belong. Then they'll pay even more to try to be unique within the group (merchandise, stages, branded bolts, etc).I find Harley and Apple's marketing insulting to my intelligence.
You don't know much about me do you ?While it is perfectly ok to dislike a product, brand, etc.
Posting something only to dismiss it, says more about you than your post...
But that's exactly what he has been hired for. The board has made a decision. HD is an apparel company that happens to sell bikes. That's why it makes even more sense to kick out livewire. He kept talking about no viable path to profitability. That means no viable path to substantial branded apparel sales.You don't know much about me do you ?
I don't dismiss the product, I dismiss the corporate bafflegab that this guy's spouting.
Sorta why I brought up Ducati. I AM Ducati's market. I have had at least one Duc in my garage since the late '70s, I have 4 today.You're not their target market. They want the sheep.
You're correct, I don't. But all you did was post a video with a sarcastic title, so that was I could judge by. Hence my reply. I meant no disrespect.You don't know much about me do you ?
I don't dismiss the product, I dismiss the corporate bafflegab that this guy's spouting.
I took a mini marketing course and there is a pattern that one follows to sell a product. It doesn't matter whether the product is motorcycles or hair spray. Some products are just easier to romanticize. (The image of freedom that doesn't include insurance issues, death tolls, financial outcomes etc.)I have no real issue with HD. I think they are overpriced and underpowered but that has been their thing for decades and they have survived so obviously others feel differently.
As for this particular video, it was as expected, drum banging and feelings.
"freedom of expression of our riders" barf. You and most of your riders want HD branding on as many things as possible. That's more sheep than freedom imo.
Paraphrased "The apparel business is way under-leveraged and our path to growth." Ah, there's the key. Hire the Puma CEO to grow HD as an apparel brand. Continue making bikes to be the halo products propping up the apparel. That makes more sense now. Bikes need to be big, loud and flashy but don't need to be powerful or reliable or compete with their wheeled competition.
FWIW I'm a Goldwing guy because I like touring. I had a Sportster but small tanks and wind buffeting don't suit cruising.You're correct, I don't. But all you did was post a video with a sarcastic title, so that was I could judge by. Hence my reply. I meant no disrespect.
I also agree with your comment(s).
As a HD rider, I enjoy the bike but I also enjoyed my Suzuki and my Honda and never once felt I had to wear any advertisements for any of them.
But HD like any other business counts on profits, I just hate when they try to spin it as something other than what it is..
Cool, I 100% support ride what you want. 50cc or 1500cc if you're enjoying yourself, that is all that matters.FWIW I'm a Goldwing guy because I like touring. I had a Sportster but small tanks and wind buffeting don't suit cruising.
We could argue technical merits of various bikes but the common sense transportation winner would be a Civic owner.
I do admire how the big Harleys track on the highway. I don't know if it's chassis design, rider experience or both. Enjoy what you ride and let the Civic owner gloat over his travel efficiency.
I do admire how the big Harleys track on the highway. I don't know if it's chassis design, rider experience or both.
snort - drawing a misbegotten parallel between a failing motorcycle company and the most valuable and profitable company in the world !!!!???? with a market cap of 3 trillion dollars..... pardon my laughter .....you reallly should not talk about what you clearly no nothing about.which is the same as Apple computers... they're not selling motorcycles, they're selling the Harley "experience".
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A lot of that comes from the crankshaft being mounted very low in the frame. A Harley big twin has a very low center of gravity.I do admire how the big Harleys track on the highway.
That video was for me, a HOG shareholder.I want you all to notice the CEO of a motorcycle company did this 14 minute ADVERTISEMENT for a motorcycle company, but not once did he talk about their motorcycles. He speaks of "brand" (a LOT), he speaks of "core business", he speaks of "image" and "experience".
All the time sitting there with an EVO motor on display in front of him.
I would like to ask him what he is going to do with those that buy into the Harley "brand" and "experience", the folks that are the companies "core business"... that want the EVO (or something VERY much like an EVO, a big air cooled twin), when he knows that motor is being legislated out of production.
I got nothing against Harley motorcycles, I've owned two... NOTHING eats super slab like a Road King. NOTHING.
I DO however take exception to their marketing strategy, which is the same as Apple computers... they're not selling motorcycles, they're selling the Harley "experience".
Don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle.
Harley's steak is over cooked and burnt and leaves a fowl taste in my mouth. I find Harley and Apple's marketing insulting to my intelligence.