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there are certain circumstances that suicide would be an acceptable decision... look up http://www.dignityindying.org.uk/

a friend of mine suffering some mental trauma in Iraq. He had to shoot children to save himself and his squad mates (the children were about 8-10 and were armed with explosives). He got a medal for it... you can't imagine how being forced to shoot small children breaks the brain. he's been given life time 100% disability, but the drugs don't stop the nightmares.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
a friend of mine suffering some mental trauma in Iraq. He had to shoot children to save himself and his squad mates (the children were about 8-10 and were armed with explosives). He got a medal for it... you can't imagine how being forced to shoot small children breaks the brain. he's been given life time 100% disability, but the drugs don't stop the nightmares.
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That's the best thing about the vet's coming out of conflicts. They all come out with mental disorders, and various other inflictions that leaves them unable to operate at the level they did prior to entry.

Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as, but I have a hard time finding sympathy for someone who puts themselves in this situation (joins an army, and understands the implications of being a warrior for that nation/state/cause), then comes out of it all "that place messed me up". No, really? War messed you up? Think twice before joining a military. Something tells me that he likely was excited at the prospect of combat prior to actually being baptised by it. It's not like it's potrayed in Call of Duty, is it?

You're going to come out changed. It's what happens when you willingly sell yourself to be pawn of grown men playing war.
 
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Araqiels said:
That's the best thing about the vet's coming out of conflicts. They all come out with mental disorders, and various other inflictions that leaves them unable to operate at the level they did prior to entry.

Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as, but I have a hard time finding sympathy for someone who puts themselves in this situation (joins an army, and understands the implications of being a warrior for that nation/state/cause), then comes out of it all "that place messed me up". No, really? War messed you up? Think twice before joining a military. Something tells me that he likely was excited at the prospect of combat prior to actually being baptised by it. It's not like it's potrayed in Call of Duty, is it?

You're going to come out changed. It's what happens when you willingly sell yourself to be pawn of grown men playing war.
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Some ppl come from troubled backgrounds and really bad prospects of getting anywhere in life. To me there is nothing wrong for fighting for your country. What's wrong is fighting for a politician's cause.

That is still better than becoming a drug dealer, committing crimes or other dishonourable activities
 
Araqiels said:
Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as
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True, that. And it's the only statement in your post I agree with. No wonder you take great pains to remain anonymous.
 
selfish bastard. he could have at least got life insurance and then waited a while and done himself in such a way to appear to be an accident, at least to give the wife and kids a chance at some money.
 
Guess you can say...

he took a leap in faith.

YEAH BUDDAY
 
Johnny5 said:
selfish bastard. he could have at least got life insurance and then waited a while and done himself in such a way to appear to be an accident, at least to give the wife and kids a chance at some money.
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I assume you're being facetious, but I not sure you can get life insurance with such a preexisting condition.
 
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That's the best thing about the vet's coming out of conflicts. They all come out with mental disorders, and various other inflictions that leaves them unable to operate at the level they did prior to entry.

Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as, but I have a hard time finding sympathy for someone who puts themselves in this situation (joins an army, and understands the implications of being a warrior for that nation/state/cause), then comes out of it all "that place messed me up". No, really? War messed you up? Think twice before joining a military. Something tells me that he likely was excited at the prospect of combat prior to actually being baptised by it. It's not like it's potrayed in Call of Duty, is it?

You're going to come out changed. It's what happens when you willingly sell yourself to be pawn of grown men playing war.
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You are an *******, but lots of men, many of which were younger than you, died so you can be an *******.

Spoken like a true spoiled brat.
 
Araqiels said:
That's the best thing about the vet's coming out of conflicts. They all come out with mental disorders, and various other inflictions that leaves them unable to operate at the level they did prior to entry.

Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as, but


Lucky your not second generation goose stepping, eating bratwurst daily and straight arm saluting. My dad and his friends fixed that for you.
Just like today's military are trying to let you get on an airplane or sit in your office building without getting blown up. Next time you see someone in uniform say thank-you.

If it wasn't against the rules I'd refer to you inappropriatly.
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Araqiels said:
That's the best thing about the vet's coming out of conflicts. They all come out with mental disorders, and various other inflictions that leaves them unable to operate at the level they did prior to entry.

Not to sound like an ******, which is what Ill come across as, but I have a hard time finding sympathy for someone who puts themselves in this situation (joins an army, and understands the implications of being a warrior for that nation/state/cause), then comes out of it all "that place messed me up". No, really? War messed you up? Think twice before joining a military. Something tells me that he likely was excited at the prospect of combat prior to actually being baptised by it. It's not like it's potrayed in Call of Duty, is it?

You're going to come out changed. It's what happens when you willingly sell yourself to be pawn of grown men playing war.
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when he signed up he signed up as a mechanic in the motorpool. the usa changed the way they did things and he ended up directly in battle, not every trade is part of the combat arms, they also started sending the national guard (a force mandated for state defense) to attack foreign countries.
 
rafiki911 said:
There is help for anything you or anyone has issues with. It really doesn't matter what is troubling him. So many suffer from addictions, poverty, mental illness, depression, bad relationships etc. Instead he chose the easy way out, not a man in my opinion and very selfish.
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Sorry, but I have to call you on this one. When someone is so far down the rabbit hole that jumping off a bridge sounds like a good idea - then the word selfish doesn't enter into. Having almost been there a couple of times I can tell you he didn't want to stop living, he just wanted to stop being in pain. And he
probably thought he was geniunely doing everyone else a favour, even though he wasn't.
Things that make perfect sense to you and me don't enter into the mind of someone severely depressed.
In that state you can't see the full spectrum of rational thought, you see a small portion but feels like your seeing it all.
And as "for the easy way out" you don't know what your talkin about. There is nothing easy about pulling that trigger.
 
Not sure what you are calling me on. Why does someone have to get to that point. You can get help way before you start thinking that killing yourself is the only way out. Oh and meds is not the only answer. If you get help early enough you can figure out what is causing you all this stress and depression and work on handling and or eliminating the causes. If it's something like being bi-polar or manic, its sad but you have to be on meds the rest of your life and yea the side effects are crap.

Seriously, just because I have a different view on suicide does not mean I'm an idiot, or not familiar with people going through depression or that have mental illness. This is the real world people, people are brought up different and have different values. You have every right to think what you think and I have every right to think what I think.

This is not an argument but a discussion. Done explaining myself and I really don't care if you guys don't like my opinion.
87m6chris said:
Sorry, but I have to call you on this one. When someone is so far down the rabbit hole that jumping off a bridge sounds like a good idea - then the word selfish doesn't enter into. Having almost been there a couple of times I can tell you he didn't want to stop living, he just wanted to stop being in pain. And he
probably thought he was geniunely doing everyone else a favour, even though he wasn't.
Things that make perfect sense to you and me don't enter into the mind of someone severely depressed.
In that state you can't see the full spectrum of rational thought, you see a small portion but feels like your seeing it all.
And as "for the easy way out" you don't know what your talkin about. There is nothing easy about pulling that trigger.
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rafiki911 said:
Not sure what you are calling me on. Why does someone have to get to that point. You can get help way before you start thinking that killing yourself is the only way out. Oh and meds is not the only answer. If you get help early enough you can figure out what is causing you all this stress and depression and work on handling and or eliminating the causes. If it's something like being bi-polar or manic, its sad but you have to be on meds the rest of your life and yea the side effects are crap.

This is not an argument but a discussion. Done explaining myself and I really don't care if you guys don't like my opinion.
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The problem with your "opinion" is that it didn't seem like you knew anyone who had to deal with depression. Or if you did, it wasn't severe enough.

It's not like people wake up one day and thinks that their life's gonna suck from every day forward. So they go to sleep and when they wake up, it's just as bad as the last one. Eventually, this continues and they begin to think that maybe life isn't gonna get better. But in that time spent waiting, no one thinks to get help. And why should they? Everyone has bad weeks. And add the fact that it has to be 6 months to qualify for clincal depression, and it's not exactly that black or white when they should get help.

As for actually getting help...it's a broken system. There are more psychiatrists than there are psychologists, so the first response is usually medication when it can be fixed with time and therapy.

I'm not sure if you've ever been depressed, but you don't wake up feeling like crap and announce to the world that you feel like crap and they should come console you. And most people don't want to spread that kind of negativity around, anyway. Most of the friends you'll end up talking to can't relate/won't know how to deal with it. So then they refer you to a professional who doesn't know you to try and help you (but probably won't really help you 'cause they'll give you meds unless you can afford extensive therapy). lol

So THAT, rafiki, is why everyone's on your case. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but calling a suicidal person a "selfish pos" was a little harsh, no?
 
I don't know you guys enough to descuss what I have or have not been through or what family members or friends have had to. Let's just leave it at that.
 
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CrazyKell said:
Spoken like someone who sounds like they've never dealt with mental illness.



You obviously don't understand the mental effects of depression (or a host of other illnesses) that leave you so crippled you can't even get out of bed. And you obviously don't understand that for someone to come to the decision to end their own life....was probably the hardest thing he's ever done and he felt it was his only way out.

But you're right....he's totally not a man for that. :rolleyes:
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+1 only person who has clue about the subject here
 
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