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Grand Bend Car/Bike split trackday discussion
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Mr.Azim
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Basically it's deathmatch style: avoid the cars while trying to run them off-track. Last vehicle standing wins.
Kidding..... info is exactly 12 posts above yours. Car lapping turned into bike lapping.
Basically it's deathmatch style: avoid the cars while trying to run them off-track. Last vehicle standing wins.
Kidding..... info is exactly 12 posts above yours. Car lapping turned into bike lapping.
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baked
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
The lady on the phone today said both classes are running the same day. "cars and bikes"
The lady on the phone today said both classes are running the same day. "cars and bikes"
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
I think she meant that there will both bikes on the roadcourse and cars on the dragstrip. I know they had to postpone last weekend's drag racing to this weekend due to rain.
http://www.grandbendmotorplex.com/drag/
I think she meant that there will both bikes on the roadcourse and cars on the dragstrip. I know they had to postpone last weekend's drag racing to this weekend due to rain.
http://www.grandbendmotorplex.com/drag/
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Actually what we were looking to do was try something new run 3 groups - 1 being cars, 2 being bikes . But currently we only have 5 cars and 2 bikes registered so at this point the day isn't worth doing for either group. I have heard the concerns about a car leaking oil, etc on the track, but we have more than enough equipment to rectify the problem - oil dry, sweeper tractor, vacumn truck, blower, etc.
Since we are still somewhat new at this, tell me why you think it would or wouldn't work and why. Tks
Actually what we were looking to do was try something new run 3 groups - 1 being cars, 2 being bikes . But currently we only have 5 cars and 2 bikes registered so at this point the day isn't worth doing for either group. I have heard the concerns about a car leaking oil, etc on the track, but we have more than enough equipment to rectify the problem - oil dry, sweeper tractor, vacumn truck, blower, etc.
Since we are still somewhat new at this, tell me why you think it would or wouldn't work and why. Tks
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
The Grand bend staff know better than anyone how to clean pavement I couldnt imagine a problem I would 100% stand behind GBM. I hope to come down myself if I can get away from the shop for 5 min. Support a great facility and great staff. GBM is there for the bikes nothing but great things in my dealings with them.
The Grand bend staff know better than anyone how to clean pavement I couldnt imagine a problem I would 100% stand behind GBM. I hope to come down myself if I can get away from the shop for 5 min. Support a great facility and great staff. GBM is there for the bikes nothing but great things in my dealings with them.
Snipes20
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
This track day was not announced for bike till thus or something. I didnt know about it till yesterday. you need a weeks notice for preregister. you havent given people the time to sign up. I was planning to come on sun to ride and not preregister. Now that I know that u will have all groups of bikes running in one session I prolly wont be coming. It is not fair to have people of differnet levels in the same group. The guys that are fast will get sick of coming up on the slow traffic and the slower people will be paraniod that the faster guys wont leave enough room when passing. On top of that cars are running rad fluid. you cant just oil dry that off the track. there is a reason that bikes are forced to run water wetter or just water. Its a bad mix in my opinion but that my be worth nothing
This track day was not announced for bike till thus or something. I didnt know about it till yesterday. you need a weeks notice for preregister. you havent given people the time to sign up. I was planning to come on sun to ride and not preregister. Now that I know that u will have all groups of bikes running in one session I prolly wont be coming. It is not fair to have people of differnet levels in the same group. The guys that are fast will get sick of coming up on the slow traffic and the slower people will be paraniod that the faster guys wont leave enough room when passing. On top of that cars are running rad fluid. you cant just oil dry that off the track. there is a reason that bikes are forced to run water wetter or just water. Its a bad mix in my opinion but that my be worth nothing
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
I was planning on just showing up as well but am reconsidering my biggest concern is the cars running around the pit area.
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
I was considering attending the Sunday trackday as well, I even called GBM today to see when Pre-registration ends (Thursday, 5PM, $141.20 Total). Now that I see theres a chance that it may be a car/bike split day, then I'm going to re-consider registering. As mentioned, the main reason behind this is that I wouldn't want beginner and advance groups riding together (it wouldn't be fun for either group), and I don't want to have to worry about all the other cars on in the pits/malfunctioning on the track. If a lack of riders is the issue, then GBM should lower their price to the weekday rate ($113 Total - Pre-registered).
I guess I'll be waiting until Thursday, or at least until this is cleared up before pre-registering just to be sure I know what I'm paying for...
I was considering attending the Sunday trackday as well, I even called GBM today to see when Pre-registration ends (Thursday, 5PM, $141.20 Total). Now that I see theres a chance that it may be a car/bike split day, then I'm going to re-consider registering. As mentioned, the main reason behind this is that I wouldn't want beginner and advance groups riding together (it wouldn't be fun for either group), and I don't want to have to worry about all the other cars on in the pits/malfunctioning on the track. If a lack of riders is the issue, then GBM should lower their price to the weekday rate ($113 Total - Pre-registered).
I guess I'll be waiting until Thursday, or at least until this is cleared up before pre-registering just to be sure I know what I'm paying for...
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
I actually enjoy wide open days my favorite track days have had wide open passing. Makes it more interesting
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I actually enjoy wide open days my favorite track days have had wide open passing. Makes it more interesting
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
This isn't something new at track days, TMP tried this a few years ago and it was a flop. No one wants the cars kicking up grass/dirt on the track, we've seen them going over the turtles and making a mess.
Lower the price, that will bring a full track of bike riders out...trackdays are expensive. Also, no one is going to register until they are certain the weather will be alright.
And lastly, bike guys wanna hang out with bike guys in the pits...not car guys.
This isn't something new at track days, TMP tried this a few years ago and it was a flop. No one wants the cars kicking up grass/dirt on the track, we've seen them going over the turtles and making a mess.
Lower the price, that will bring a full track of bike riders out...trackdays are expensive. Also, no one is going to register until they are certain the weather will be alright.
And lastly, bike guys wanna hang out with bike guys in the pits...not car guys.
gs500f
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I agree with the comments above .. Keep the bikes and the cars separate .. Your gonna push all the bikers away .. I sure don't want to be in the pits with a bunch of cars rolling around. The low reg numbers are because of the late notice and it still says car lapping day on the website. I know myself and 5 other motorcycle riders are interested ( yes I'm one of the 2 bikes that Pre registered ) but the other 5 say no way to the split track day. And you can see here a few more are saying no as well. Some of the sat guys will probably stay for sunday too, I think there will be no problem filling Sunday with bikes. Make a decision, make it one or the other. I don't know your car lapping numbers but I'm pretty sure you'll be full if you stick to just bikes on Sunday.
On a side note, am I eligible for a refund if you decide to keep the mixed track day ? When I registered it was posted as motorcycle lapping day, not a car and bike day. I'm not keen on dodging cars in the pits, amongst other things.
On a side note, am I eligible for a refund if you decide to keep the mixed track day ? When I registered it was posted as motorcycle lapping day, not a car and bike day. I'm not keen on dodging cars in the pits, amongst other things.
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Mr.Azim
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Don't be so melodramatic.... there are cars EVERYWHERE in the pits. Be it race cars or the cars/trucks people used to transport their bikes over; which are going in and out in the morning/lunch/afternoon for food, gas, etc.... The more bikes you have, the more cars you'll have to "dodge" in the pits as well.
It looks like people in this world still don't like or know how to read. Right now, car lapping number = 5. Also, they plan on running 2 bike groups, not just one; so the advance/slow group shouldn't be an issue.
GBM is running a business, so far they have been nothing but fantastic to the SOAR/Motorcycle trackday goers. Right now they have more car #'s than bikes, why turn away more pre-registered customers for "my buddy says he'll come"?
Don't be so melodramatic.... there are cars EVERYWHERE in the pits. Be it race cars or the cars/trucks people used to transport their bikes over; which are going in and out in the morning/lunch/afternoon for food, gas, etc.... The more bikes you have, the more cars you'll have to "dodge" in the pits as well.
It looks like people in this world still don't like or know how to read. Right now, car lapping number = 5. Also, they plan on running 2 bike groups, not just one; so the advance/slow group shouldn't be an issue.
GBM is running a business, so far they have been nothing but fantastic to the SOAR/Motorcycle trackday goers. Right now they have more car #'s than bikes, why turn away more pre-registered customers for "my buddy says he'll come"?
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Snipes20
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Whos being dramatic?? Everyone here has brought up legit concerns. When cars are lapping then do tend to go on to the infield and pick up dirt and grass. I dont want that on the track and I dont want to wait between every session to have it cleaned. saying they have more cars than bikes reg is redundant too because then why wouldnt they run 2 sessions of cars and one session of bikes. if your going great but dont try and make others concerns seem unwarented.....they're not
Whos being dramatic?? Everyone here has brought up legit concerns. When cars are lapping then do tend to go on to the infield and pick up dirt and grass. I dont want that on the track and I dont want to wait between every session to have it cleaned. saying they have more cars than bikes reg is redundant too because then why wouldnt they run 2 sessions of cars and one session of bikes. if your going great but dont try and make others concerns seem unwarented.....they're not
Mr.Azim
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
GBM has a business to run. Since they've only been there for about a year, they need to cater to both of their clientele: cars and motorcycles. And from the sounds of it, they might not even try this again. They have every right to give it a try. If they don't and cancel the cars altogether, even better (but for their sake I hope more people DO sign up instead of just saying they will).
You can't blame them for wanting to run a split day when they have more cars signed up than motorcyclists. Sure, more people may sign up if they hear the cars have been cancelled, but more people might not. And how would you feel if you were one of 5 people signed up and told "sorry, cars don't like you guys in the pits and don't like waiting for crash-pickups in the trailer so I'm cancelling your day".
Business is business. Make as many people happy as you can, but there are a few that will still get ****** off.
GBM has a business to run. Since they've only been there for about a year, they need to cater to both of their clientele: cars and motorcycles. And from the sounds of it, they might not even try this again. They have every right to give it a try. If they don't and cancel the cars altogether, even better (but for their sake I hope more people DO sign up instead of just saying they will).
You can't blame them for wanting to run a split day when they have more cars signed up than motorcyclists. Sure, more people may sign up if they hear the cars have been cancelled, but more people might not. And how would you feel if you were one of 5 people signed up and told "sorry, cars don't like you guys in the pits and don't like waiting for crash-pickups in the trailer so I'm cancelling your day".
Business is business. Make as many people happy as you can, but there are a few that will still get ****** off.
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Snipes20
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
You keep saying that they are a bussiness, and they are but they advertised the day as a car day. They then turned around and said that it was going to be a bike day. After doing that they have made it both. They are a business that look like they are getting greedy. They should have just run the day with cars from the get go instead of trying to cash in. if it cost them to much then they should have cancelled it due to low numbers. A business run right is a business that makes the customers happy not piss*# them off
You keep saying that they are a bussiness, and they are but they advertised the day as a car day. They then turned around and said that it was going to be a bike day. After doing that they have made it both. They are a business that look like they are getting greedy. They should have just run the day with cars from the get go instead of trying to cash in. if it cost them to much then they should have cancelled it due to low numbers. A business run right is a business that makes the customers happy not piss*# them off
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
If the car drivers in question are responsible (no leaking fluids, no cutting corners and dragging dirt and grass onto the track) and there are not too many of them, it shouldn't be a problem. If the car drivers are not responsible (opposite of the above) then it's an issue.
This isn't really a whole lot different from a bike-only track day ... if you are out there with responsible riders, it's good, and if you are out there with idiots, it isn't. The one difference is that cars don't fall over if they go off track and they don't fall over if they go over stuff that has been dragged onto the track, so they might treat off-track excursions less seriously. If there are not too many car drivers then it will probably work to just lay down the law, "no off-track excursions and no jumping curbs".
There's a problem at Cayuga because of the corner coming onto the front straight - bikes need hay bales there, cars hit the hay bales - but Grand Bend doesn't have that problem.
If the car drivers in question are responsible (no leaking fluids, no cutting corners and dragging dirt and grass onto the track) and there are not too many of them, it shouldn't be a problem. If the car drivers are not responsible (opposite of the above) then it's an issue.
This isn't really a whole lot different from a bike-only track day ... if you are out there with responsible riders, it's good, and if you are out there with idiots, it isn't. The one difference is that cars don't fall over if they go off track and they don't fall over if they go over stuff that has been dragged onto the track, so they might treat off-track excursions less seriously. If there are not too many car drivers then it will probably work to just lay down the law, "no off-track excursions and no jumping curbs".
There's a problem at Cayuga because of the corner coming onto the front straight - bikes need hay bales there, cars hit the hay bales - but Grand Bend doesn't have that problem.
Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Here are some key points.
From what I see here the car/bike mixed day is not set in stone yet.
If there were more bikes registered, Grand Bend may be inclined to change it to a bike only lapping day.
Grand Bend is trying to accommodate everyone. I think it's wonderful that they are even asking for people's input. It's obvious you can't please everyone, but they are at least trying...
PLS;1812176[B said:
Here are some key points.
From what I see here the car/bike mixed day is not set in stone yet.
If there were more bikes registered, Grand Bend may be inclined to change it to a bike only lapping day.
Grand Bend is trying to accommodate everyone. I think it's wonderful that they are even asking for people's input. It's obvious you can't please everyone, but they are at least trying...
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gs500f
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They asked for opinions so we're giving them, no drama intended. I agree with more bikers signing up , but with the chance if running with cars is pushing people away. I agree they are a business and they need to make money , they can try this but I'm convinced it will be a low number day if it stays this way. AFAIK bike numbers have always been good, at least when I've been there as well as others. Either way a decision has to be made and adhered to as Sunday is approaching quite quickly. I don't think the price is an issue, just the mixed vehicles. The people who organize gb are great and I have nothing but good things to say about them, but we need a decision ASAP so people can "put up or shut up."
Mr.Azim
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Re: GTAM and Grand Bend Motorplex Trackday - June 9 2012!!
Well, realistically, you can't make everyone happy. But GBM is doing the best they can. I'm not trying to discredit the issues/complaints, only trying to support the track that's been so good to the motorcycle race/trackday goers.
Well, realistically, you can't make everyone happy. But GBM is doing the best they can. I'm not trying to discredit the issues/complaints, only trying to support the track that's been so good to the motorcycle race/trackday goers.
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