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Got my first ticket... Have some question

One thing that is often overlooked that was brought to my attention by a paralegal, is that if this is your first offense and it is minor, you may want to pay it as soon as possible. The reasoning is that it will not affect your insurance, and your 3 year countdown until it's wiped will start NOW instead of 6 months later when you get a trial. That gives you an extra half a year of leeway if you do get another ticket.

Example: I get a ticket Jan 2010. It's 10 over so I pay it. Then in July 2012 I get another ticket for 28 over. I can delay it by requesting FA, and then a trial and by that time my first ticket is off my record so my insurance rate is never touched. If I had tried to fight that ticket and lost then my tickets would overlap and i'd get screwed for a while.

side note: Is it true First Attendance can only reduce the ticket but not get rid of it? I have a 26 over (First ticket, clean record). I'm just planning to get it reduced at the FA and pay it since its minor and I don't want to risk losing more time by having a trial and not winning it and being out a few hundred.
 
Never pay, appeal and get full relative disclosure, look for mistakes in papers, if english is your second language request interpreter, but never pay. Conviction is the same, in your case it's minor whether u pay 40 or 340 and points. Points mean nothing to insurance. What metters is if it is major or minor conviction.
 
starlifek said:
Never pay, delay as long as possible, look for mistakes, seek advice from X cops.
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And the turboadvice continues.. "X cops" as in actual ex cops that everybody and their grandmother knows :rolleye: or "X-Copper" the paralegal firm that is well known for just taking the plea and leaving the paying customer with a conviction instead of actually disputing the charge? So you're either suggesting seeking advice from a source not available to most people or wasting your money on a paralegal firm I'd stay the **** away from.

P.S. If you wanna hire a paralegal, go with Redline. They may cost a few more bucks but they will actually put in an honest effort to make your charge go away
 
Rob MacLennan said:
ike said:
Here is something that was posted on another forum that that might work to keep the conviction off your record (but may be another one of those urban legends.) Maybe some other GTAM members can comment (esp. those in the legal system!)

Mail your payment in (by cheque), but overpay by a few bucks. This will cause them to issue a cheque to you for the overpayment. When you get it, throw this cheque away. The conviction will not show up on your record because the financial accounts will never be closed on this conviction.

Does this actually work in Ontario?
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Actually that's urban legend. It doesn't work anywhere.
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Actually this worked in Québec for a little while as long as you overpaid by 5$ or more. In 2007 alone I have 3 friends that have used this method to avoid points on their license.
Eventually they (the government) caught on and fixed the loop.
Now when you overpay by 5$ or more, they mail you the cheque back for the difference but you still get the points according to the offence. If you choose to throw the cheque away, you just threw out your own money.
 
_eug_ said:
He also told me that he is a fellow rider and that if I want to speed then I should do it at night on the highway :cherry:
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I wouldn't really trust his advice.
When I had my Mustang a few years ago, all my tickets were at night, on the highway. And it's not the only place I did a little speeding...
But now that I've had the "bad record" and "high insurance prices", I have definitely matured since I was 21 and don't do those sort of things anymore. Last major comes off my record in October. Been a good boy for 3 years soon! :D
 
jeero said:
I wouldn't really trust his advice.
When I had my Mustang a few years ago, all my tickets were at night, on the highway. And it's not the only place I did a little speeding...
But now that I've had the "bad record" and "high insurance prices", I have definitely matured since I was 21 and don't do those sort of things anymore. Last major comes off my record in October. Been a good boy for 3 years soon! :D
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Come October you are as clean as a whistle, I bet it wasn't too hard to just take it easy and observe the traffic laws. Mine just came off my record in July but I continue watching my speed and my driving behavior. I hope I don't get another ticket anytime soon.
 
MadPoet said:
Come October you are as clean as a whistle, I bet it wasn't too hard to just take it easy and observe the traffic laws. Mine just came off my record in July but I continue watching my speed and my driving behavior. I hope I don't get another ticket anytime soon.
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Not quite "clean as a whistle".
As mentioned, my last major comes off my record. I still have one minor that will be there until...*thinks*...april 2013? Not sure, gonna have to check but I know it's still there for at least another year.

I will admit that I used to have a very heavy foot (even when I wasn't wearing work boots) and I did a lot of stupid things on the road.
A combination of growing up/becoming more responsible, not being able to afford my Mustang and (up until early this year) having a gf with a kid has really made me realize that as much as being a jerkwad on the road is fun for myself, it's extremely dangerous and downright dumb.
It took some effort and I did tone it down a heck of a lot.

I still have my moments here and there and I am very selective about when and where. The "itch" will always be in me since I grew up around stock cars and watched my dad compete in a few different series. Unfortunately my budget doesn't allow me to be able to track my bike this year, but it is my goal for 2012.
I marshall from time to time at Cayuga and that's definitely where I need to cure the itch.


@OP: I know you're getting mixed results on this thread. Just realize that even though most companies give a "freebie" ticket, this means that if you don't want your rates to increase you must make sure that for the next 3 years you don't get any tickets at all.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
People come to this forum to get advice on actual legal strategy.. Not to be told "suck it up buttercup, you're guilty, so now bend over and be raped for 3 years".
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That's ironic, because when I was asking for advice in regards to an unassumed road and the damage to my vehicle because of it, you made off like an idiot questioning the facts of my story, and then telling me to suck it up and deal with it.

So be more consistant in your posts, because you're nearing 15,000 - and I've yet to read one that held any grain of consistancy, or valuable insight within it, buttercup.
 
Araqiels said:
That's ironic, because when I was asking for advice in regards to an unassumed road and the damage to my vehicle because of it, you made off like an idiot questioning the facts of my story, and then telling me to suck it up and deal with it.

So be more consistant in your posts, because you're nearing 15,000 - and I've yet to read one that held any grain of consistancy, or valuable insight within it, buttercup.
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You're racking up quite a post-count just attacking every one of my posts you come across. If you fail to see the difference between a person who is just trying to protect himself from getting ripped off by the government and a "genius" who crashed into an inanimate object that was supposed to be where it was and then asking about suing the builder, I can't help you. Your parents, your genes and the education system have failed you. I feel sorry for you :(
 
Anyone with a fast enough bike that actually gets caught at night 50+ over ON the highway and stops, really shouldnt have been doing 50 over to begin with if they were not willing and ready to crank her up and take the cop for a ride. That is unless they have a bird in the sky, which is unlikely. If your going to speed, you may as well be ready for any consequences occurring after the fact.
 
Tiggy said:
If your going to speed, you may as well be ready for any consequences occurring after the fact.
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Ok, but how far exactly are you willing to ratchet up? And consequences can pile up much heavier on already heavy consequences. You talk about cranking things up and taking the cop for a ride, but that ride may be your last. Some get lucky and are only caught. Others get less than lucky, and for what? Why would anyone here promote, encourage, or otherwise suggest such a risky and criminal course of response to the red lights coming on behind them? Why is it even permitted at all on this site?

The SIU investigation determined that on July 17, 2011 Mr. Collins was driving his motorcycle at a high rate of speed southbound on Highway 6 North – also known as Hanlon Parkway - in Wellington County in the early afternoon. He was in the company of two other motorcyclists. They passed the subject officer who was operating a Light Detection and Ranging speed monitoring device from his marked OPP SUV that was parked on the side of the roadway. The subject officer pulled his vehicle on the roadway and pursued with the intent of noting the licence plate numbers of the speeding motorcycles. He did not activate his emergency equipment. Mr. Collins began increasing his speed and pulled ahead of the other two motorcycles. Further down the road, there was an intersection between Hanlon Parkway and Wellington County Road #34 with traffic lights. As Mr. Collins approached the intersection, the traffic lights were red in the southbound direction, and traffic was stopped in both the curb and passing lanes. Instead of slowing down, Mr. Collins continued to increase his speed and drive his motorcycle between the two lanes of stopped traffic. It was clear to all of the civilian witnesses that he had no intention of stopping at the intersection. As he approached the red traffic light, a car entered the intersection in an attempt to complete a westbound turn from the northbound lanes with the traffic lights in his favour. Mr. Collins began braking but could not avoid a collision with the passenger side rear fender area of the westbound car. Mr. Collins died shortly thereafter due to the injuries sustained in the collision. The distance between the locations where the subject officer was conducting his speed checks and the collision scene was approximately two kilometres.
The pursuit was of an extremely short duration, and there was no physical contact between the subject officer’s vehicle and Mr. Collins’ motorcycle. Mr. Collins immediately accelerated and engaged in criminally reckless driving in an attempt to elude the subject officer. His actions led directly to his own demise and placed others in danger as he drove between stopped vehicles toward a red traffic light at an excessive rate of speed."
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=966
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Director Scott noted, “The subject officer had the lawful authority to pull beside the driver of the motorcycle and signal to him pursuant to s. 216 of the Highway Traffic Act. The motorcycle driver was driving at an excessive rate of speed and the subject officer was in the lawful execution of his duties when he signalled the driver to pull over. The driver of the motorcycle chose to flee. There is no evidence to suggest that the subject officer entered into a suspect apprehension pursuit or had any physical contact with the motorcycle. Accordingly, there is no causal relationship between the actions of the subject officer and the tragic death of Ms. Bocunescu.”
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=748
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The man started the motorcycle and rode north towards Moulinette Rd. The officers activated the roof lights on their marked cruiser because they suspected the motorcycle's driver may be impaired, but the motorcycle did not stop. They pursued the motorcycle north on Moulinette Rd. for a short distance before turning off the roof lights. The motorcycle continued northbound and they eventually lost sight of it.

Approximately one kilometre north of Highway 401, the officers found the motorcycle in a ditch. Jason Lacombe, the motorcycle's 29-year-old driver, had been thrown from the motorcycle and was lying seriously injured on the ground. The officers tended to him until EMS arrived. Mr. Lacombe was transported to hospital by ambulance, but later died of his injuries.
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=283
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Nicholas Vanderboom, 19 years of age, suffered fatal injuries when a motorcycle struck the car he was driving. Both occupants on the motorcycle, Kenneth Walton and his passenger Blake Deck, also died from their injuries.

The investigation revealed that at about 1:16 a.m., TPS officers had responded to a stabbing incident in the area of Yonge Street and Kempford Boulevard. Several cruisers were parked in the area and some of them had their emergency lights activated. While there, officers noticed several motorcycles drive by them at a high rate of speed northbound on Yonge. Civilian witnesses also reported seeing a motorcycle, traveling at a high rate speed and "pulling wheelies." It reportedly turned west onto Finch Avenue.
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=10
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* At approximately 2:17 p.m., the subject officer and his partner were conducting speed enforcement on Harmony Road just north of King Street East.
* They clocked the motorcycle being driven southbound by Mr. Baron at 82 km/h in a 50 km/h zone. The motorcycle decelerated, turned around and drove northbound away from the officers at a high rate of speed.
* The two officers went to their marked cruiser in an attempt to locate the motorcyclist. The subject officer activated his emergency lights to facilitate his turn northbound on Harmony Road N. He turned them off once on the roadway.
* Meanwhile, Mr. Baron entered the intersection of Harmony Road N and Adelaide Avenue E at a high rate of speed, and drove straight into a civilian vehicle that was attempting a left hand turn into the eastbound lane of Adelaide Avenue E. Mr. Baron catapulted over the vehicle.
* The accident reconstruction report estimates the motorcycle's speed at the point of impact at somewhere between 90 to 110 km/h. Mr. Baron died from multiple internal traumas as a result of the collision with the vehicle and the subsequent impact with the roadway.

Director Scott said, "In my view, Mr. Baron's death was caused by his own actions in attempting to elude the involved officers who were lawfully monitoring the roadway for speeding vehicles. While the subject officer had the lawful authority to begin a suspect apprehension pursuit as defined by the regulations of the Police Services Act, by all accounts he did not engage in a pursuit as events happened so quickly. It would appear that Mr. Baron was making every effort to elude the police whether or not he was being actively pursued."
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=705
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On Sunday April 6, 2008, at 5:50 p.m. the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP), Brant County, contacted the SIU. The OPP advised that at 3:30 p.m. an officer was operating radar on Highway 403. An eastbound motorcycle, which was travelling at a high-rate of speed, passed the officer who was stationary. The officer began to pursue the vehicle, but discontinued the pursuit.

A short time later the OPP was called to Middleton Line Road north of Highway 403 in regards to an accident involving a motorcycle. The 38-year-old driver of the motorcycle sustained injuries to his leg and lower torso. He was transported to Woodstock General Hospital by ambulance.
http://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=506
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Turbodish is right on that one. The accident on Harmony left the driver in a wheelchair, and killed the police officer. The driver is obviously now facing 2nd degree murder charges, and again.... is in a wheel chair possibly for life, all because he didn't want a measly speeding ticket.
 
ANY ride can be your last ride. Everyone thinks differently in certain situations, and not everyone is on the same plane as you.There are people out there that could give a sweet **** about the safety of themselves let alone the safety of a pedestrian. There are people out there that do it for a rush. It could be someone who just goes crazy and has had enough of life and wants to die riding their bike, or testing fate, YOU DON'T KNOW. I was not trying to advocate excessive speeding.People are going to do what they want anyway. Anyone who would do that with a passenger on the back, or in the city with traffic is careless. You know damn well the moment you hop on your bike, whether your just going out for an easy cruise or whether you are going for a hard "spirited" ride. Anyone who has any common sense is not going to hop on their bike in rush hour and hit HTA172 territory in downtown traffic. People like to say there is a time and place for everything..sure that is true to an extent I guess.

I was more referring to being on the highway, at night with low traffic, zooming by a radar at 200...what are you going to do? stop a kilometer up the highway and wait to get royally screwed? If you do choose to excessively speed nowadays, there will always be a pretty severe consequence if caught, or worse..crash.
 
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