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I priced one on their website. $12,400.00 US if you get the upgraded motor.

Claims that they are shipping units but none that I could find out in the wild.

Lots of opportunities to invest though... LOL

Call me cynical, but I don't see anything other than an investment scheme.
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
I priced one on their website. $12,400.00 US if you get the upgraded motor.

Claims that they are shipping units but none that I could find out in the wild.

Lots of opportunities to invest though... LOL

Call me cynical, but I don't see anything other than an investment scheme.
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Two wheeled vehicles have few legal constraints compared to four wheel vehicles that have more stringent safety and pollution controls.

Starting a car company is a massive venture. With motorcycles, ICE or electric, it appears that all one needs to do is buy a bunch of hardware, a drive system and weld up a frame. Easy come, easy go for the investor.
 
nobbie48 said:
Two wheeled vehicles have few legal constraints compared to four wheel vehicles that have more stringent safety and pollution controls.

Starting a car company is a massive venture. With motorcycles, ICE or electric, it appears that all one needs to do is buy a bunch of hardware, a drive system and weld up a frame. Easy come, easy go for the investor.
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Back in early 2000's, I was working in BRP's R&D center (in Valcourt, Quebec) and was regularly chatting with the guy responsible for the legislation and road laws. In those years, it was about their ATV and, mostly, their Spyder. Believe me when I say that what you wrote is far, far away from the truth and work involved.
 
Claude said:
Back in early 2000's, I was working in BRP's R&D center (in Valcourt, Quebec) and was regularly chatting with the guy responsible for the legislation and road laws. In those years, it was about their ATV and, mostly, their Spyder. Believe me when I say that what you wrote is far, far away from the truth and work involved.
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That's where the ebike legislation comes in and/or off-road bikes. That dodges most government regulation hassles. Getting a vehicle certified to be used on the road is a huge amount of design and paperwork.
 
Claude said:
Back in early 2000's, I was working in BRP's R&D center (in Valcourt, Quebec) and was regularly chatting with the guy responsible for the legislation and road laws. In those years, it was about their ATV and, mostly, their Spyder. Believe me when I say that what you wrote is far, far away from the truth and work involved.
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BRP is worth a lot of money and some of the R&D would be to protect assets plus cover sales in wider jurisdictions with more laws. Harry's Motorcycle Company wouldn't have the resources, not expect the area coverage.
 
nobbie48 said:
With motorcycles, ICE or electric, it appears that all one needs to do is buy a bunch of hardware, a drive system and weld up a frame. Easy come, easy go for the investor.
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Combustion engine means conforming to emission standards in every market that you want to sell it in, and achieving Euro 5 compliance is no joke.

EVs on the other hand, whether auto or motorcycle, bypasses that entire headache. Witness the number of EV start-ups in the last decade or so (whether car or motorcycle or some combination) - although only a limited number have produced anything for the consumer.

So it may "appear" that to produce an electric motorcycle, all you need to do is buy a bunch of hardware, a drive system, and weld up a frame. And indeed, a motorcycle is certainly a simpler vehicle than a car.

The tricky and much more complicated bit ... is building one that meets consumer expectations. (It's the same with electric cars, only much more trickier and even more complicated. Any production EV on the road today is a massively more complex vehicle than the golf car that some people instinctively think of.)

And it needs to not catch fire, and it needs to not deliver electric shocks, and it needs to conform to all of the worldwide standards for safety and lighting everywhere in the world that you want to sell it.
 
TK4 said:
CCW is Chinesium. Look at a Zero.
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It's not CCW.

One of the co-founders of CCW split off and started Land Energy where a team of 15ish people put these together by hand.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the vast majority of components are chinesium with just enough assembly done in the States to claim 'Made in USA'

I still think it's a 'get investment money' company as opposed to a 'electric vehicle' company.

On a side note, in my googling, CCW is for sale.
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Soulcatcher668 said:
FFS... how many 'give us your money now based on this CGI image and made up specs' EV's are there?
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Lots. My friend has worked for a couple and founded a couple. Some of the companies made prototypes. One has sent a few test mules out to potential clients. None have mass produced yet. Current company is focused on delivery van/box truck which may be a great market. Make the numbers work and fleet managers will buy them all. Duty cycle is lots of stop and go during the day and parked for the night so lots of time to charge.
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
FFS... how many 'give us your money now based on this CGI image and made up specs' EV's are there?
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It's actually a smart move. Eric's Fuell e-bikes are on the market and selling. Sales from them keep the company solvent and insulated by uploading the development of the Fllow onto the consumer via preorders and crowdfunding. And the reviews of the pre-pro Fllow are all saying it's exactly what it's intended to be. A simple well designed non-Star-Wars-looking relatively inexpensive commuter bike.
 
GreyGhost said:
Lots. My friend has worked for a couple and founded a couple. Some of the companies made prototypes. One has sent a few test mules out to potential clients. None have mass produced yet. Current company is focused on delivery van/box truck which may be a great market. Make the numbers work and fleet managers will buy them all. Duty cycle is lots of stop and go during the day and parked for the night so lots of time to charge.
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Canoo? Arrival?

Canoo actually appears to have built something:

I do not know how they pulled off the fully fly-by-wire controls.

Crash test with a sideways-facing passenger will be ... interesting.

They have gotten further with this than I ever though they would.
 
Brian P said:
Canoo? Arrival?

Canoo actually appears to have built something:

I do not know how they pulled off the fully fly-by-wire controls.

Crash test with a sideways-facing passenger will be ... interesting.

They have gotten further with this than I ever though they would.
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That was one of them. US military has a trial vehicle. He started another one after canoo.
 
Brian P said:
Canoo? Arrival?

They have gotten further with this than I ever though they would.
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It's moving along. I'm doing work indirectly for production parts on that vehicle.
 
anyone see the latest moto madness vid today?

 
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