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Getting started dirt biking

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I’m looking into getting a dirt bike but I have a bunch of questions I’m hoping you guys can help answer, so here goes! I am looking to do trail riding, over and through obstacles. Doing jumps and all would be cool but I’m probably not going to be going to those circuits.


  1. What’s the diff between a “motocross” bike and a “dirt bike”?
  2. Is a 250cc 4-stroke a good bike? How about a 150cc? I’m fairly light and I’m not going to be zooming through the forests but I would like the power to be able to climb without too much struggle
  3. Obviously staying away from China dirt bikes, but is there any brand other than Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, KTM to look for?
  4. My ideal price range is 1-1.5k used and I was hoping to pick something up from the states. Is this reasonable? Where can I search for US dirt bikes?
  5. I’m driving a 2010 impreza hatchback. Friend said he could get a hitch welded for under $200, and I’m guessing a trailer to fit two dirt bikes would cost anywhere from $500-1000? Am I way off here? Will my car explode trying to lug two dirt bikes around on the highway?

Hope to learn a lot. I’m also only about 5’8” so I’m sure anything over 250 is too tall for me. I’m not interested in a Dual-Sport.
 
1. mx bike is a finely honed competition machine, dirt bike is play bike. If you're a competent rider, mx bike makes a great play bike.

2. yes and yes

3. Kawasaki. No need to look at exotics at this point.

4. feeling lucky?

5. Check owners manual for towing specs. imho, yes with very light trailer
 
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You will get lots of opinions but here is mine. 2 Strokes are very cheap to maintain and for your size and weight a 125 would be fine. You will be extremley suprised at how fast a 125 2 stroke is.The power comes on like a light switch. Guaranteed to make you grin. There is a big difference in power between a 250 MX bike and a 250 trail bike. If you go 4 stroke dont go with a 150. You wont be happy with the power. 4 strokes are more expensive to maintain. Personally I think you need to spend 2.5K to 3K for a decent bike. Beware of used MX bikes. There is lots of beat on junk that sellers will tell you is mint. You just have to be patient.
 
1. MX Bikes send you flying into the trees at a higher speed than trail bikes

2. 250 4s is a good trail bike. 150 would be too small for you.

3. Kawasaki

4. Too low. Look to spend 2.5-3k minimum for something that isn't a clapped out piece of junk.

5. Your car will be fine
 
If you just want to have a bike for trail riding you can look into a TTR 230 or a CRF 230, you don't need to spend alot on a bike, look for a good deal, I have a KLX 300 I use for trail riding and it was under $2000 for bike, trail pass and insurance. Don't buy some big 450 for trail riding its to much power for single track bush rides with big trees all around.

I also have a older Honda 175cc and it's alot of fun in the bush, and I'm 6'2 250lbs and it pulls me around just fine in the simcoe forest.
 
2. 150 would be too small for you.


I also have a older Honda 175cc and it's alot of fun in the bush, and I'm 6'2 250lbs and it pulls me around just fine in the simcoe forest.[/QUOTE]


CRF150 is plenty for bush bashing. See above.
 
Here's an excerpt from one of the many posts like this from a while ago. Hopefully it helps, although it may be a bit dated.

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Originally Posted by draze

Thanks for all the replies guys!

You all talk like pro's and loose me quite often, I've reread most of the posts more than 4 times and still can't keep up.

How do I know which is a motocross bike and a trail bike?

I was not thinking of any extreme jumps and probably will not for long time. By getting into dirt, I meant trail riding. I am not considering a 450, thinking it's too much power and more expensive than 250. I was thinking of buying a used bike (2000$ max) and a used trailer.

Bikes are a big mystery to me for now, so I try to be like a sponge and soak in all the information, so throw anything you think might be useful for me.

Cheers.
Heres a post I made a while ago on the different categories of bikes and there differences. Its hardly all inclusive but it might help.

Can someone correct me where I'm wrong please? However differences between bikes is basically

MX bikes: Built for riding around a track in compettition.
- shortish gear range. Meaning more power oriented and less top speed oriented but more balanced than an SX bike.
- kick start only (with the exception of KTM).
- No kickstand so you'll always have to find a tree to prop it against, again with the exception of KTM (not really an issue in the ganny most of the time tbh. I have a kickstand and still use trees).
- Small fuel tank, probably smart to bring a jerry can and keep going back to your car/truck.
- Stiffer suspension tuned for higher speeds and gives lots of feedback, more likely to tire you out faster.

Bikes in this category:
KTM SX, SX-F
Kawasaki KX, KX-F
Honda CRF-R, XR
Suzuki RMZ
Yamaha YZ, YZF

SX bike is similar to MX bike usually same model (I believe some companies make SX specific bikes?) but even shorter gear range and differently tuned suspension.

Enduro Bikes: Built for offroad racing with minimum road safety equipment(lights at least) for stretches of the race which are on road. Some of them can be blue plated.
- Taller gears, and in some cases more gears. But still more power oriented than speed.
- Electric start is more available on these models I believe
- kickstands are not likely to be on them since they're race bikes with the exception of KTM
- Larger fuel tank
- Stiffer suspension than Dual Sports but possibly softer than MX bikes
- Spark arrestors are more likely to be equipped on these

Bikes in this category
KTM XC, XC-W, EXC(previous 200:cool:
Kawasaki KLX, KDX
Honda CRF-X
Suzuki RMX
Yamaha WR

Dual Sport: these bikes are designed to be blue plated bikes. They very quite a bit in capability however and could use some sub categories. Some of them are just blue plated enduro bikes and others are more road bikes that can be taken into the bush.

- Likely Tallest gears out of all the bikes
- Lights, Signals, Chain guards, Mirrors. They're designed to be blue plated.
- Electric start is likely standard on all models of this category (important note. If it has electric start make sure it also has a kicker incase your battery dies)

Bikes in this category
KTM EXC, Enduro
Kawasaki KLX, KLR
Honda CRF-L, XR-L, CRF-M
Suzuki DR, DR-Z(larger engine sizes)
Yamaha WR-X, WR-R, XT, TW

Fun Bikes: These are the bikes you learn on and go riding with your friends and realize you want what your friend is riding.

Bikes in this category
KTM Don't make play bikes apparently
Kawasaki KLX(smaller engine sizes)
Honda CRF-F
Suzuki DR-Z(smaller engine sizes)


Also a note about 2 strokes and 4 strokes. In case you didn't know or someone didn't explain it to you, a 2 stroke is roughly twice as powerful as a 4 stroke just due to simple mathematics. They don't deliver power the same way and maintenance etc is different but a 125 2 stroke is comparable to a 250 four stroke and a 250 2 stroke is comparable to a 500 4 stroke (although 4 strokes usually are 450s)

So a 125 four stroke is much to small for most adults.
a 125 2 stroke can be used by adults for serious trail rides.

You can identify Honda 2 strokes by having a model of simply CR whereas 4 stroke will be CRF
Kawasaki 2 strokes are KD designated and 4 stroke is KL and I think for the racing engine its KR (not sure about that)
Also you can identify any 2stroke by the exhaust pipe.

But as you start looking more and more at the bikes you'll learn quick whats important to look at to identify them quick.
 
  1. I’m driving a 2010 impreza hatchback. Friend said he could get a hitch welded for under $200, and I’m guessing a trailer to fit two dirt bikes would cost anywhere from $500-1000? Am I way off here? Will my car explode trying to lug two dirt bikes around on the highway?

I went the cheap route for the trailer:
- trailer hitch from Hitch City (hidden hitch ~$180)
- trailer PARTS from Harbor Freight on sale with %20 off coupon - $180 - Link
- trailer rails - $100 each or have them made locally
- registration, plates for the trailer - $50

Bike: $3,500 will get you a half decent bike with low hours - 250 4-stroke. The 4 strokes are easier to ride but require more maintenance.

Additional costs: Insurance ($400), Registration ($400), green plate ($40), trail pass ($20/day @ the Ganny or $80/year for Simcoe County)

Also, plan on doing some mods.
- I've always had to replace the fork seals within two months of owning a new (to me) bike ($200 for someone else to install or $80 for all seals plus tools to do it yourself)
- Inspect valve clearance
- change oil
- coolant
- skid plate (recommended)
- silencer with spark arrestor (required for trails)
- spare levers (cheap - $20)

I can post a pic of my trailer if your interested...
 
Thanks for all the great posts. I do regular maintenance on my street bike, this definitely sounds like more to learn! I look forward to it but I just hope I don't get lost in all of this.

So there is mandatory insurance for dirt bikes? I didn't know that, or is it optional?

A 2 stroke would definitely be fun, I've messed around with 2 stroke RC planes and they are quite zippy. A price tag over 2.5k is definitely painful though. So most of you buy your dirt bikes locally?
 
Thanks for all the great posts. I do regular maintenance on my street bike, this definitely sounds like more to learn! I look forward to it but I just hope I don't get lost in all of this.

So there is mandatory insurance for dirt bikes? I didn't know that, or is it optional?

A 2 stroke would definitely be fun, I've messed around with 2 stroke RC planes and they are quite zippy. A price tag over 2.5k is definitely painful though. So most of you buy your dirt bikes locally?

Unless you're only riding on private property - yes you need green plate & insurance.
 
Trust me you don't need to spend more then $2000 on a good dirt bike for trail riding, do some research on some bikes you like, watch kijjij for prices and if you watch kijji long enough you'll have a good idea on what's crap and what's fair priced. Me and my buddies all found decent bikes on kijiji and all of us have spent less then $2000 and we got good deals, just be prepared to buy when you see a good deal cause they don't stay long if its a good deal, over priced items stay on kijiji a long time and you'll see it reposted over and over again..

You'll probably want to change parts anyways so a broke lever, bend bar, tires, fork seals, no big deal...cheap enough to replace and upgrade.. Tranny issue, motor issues= Big deal, stay way!

You dont require insurance if you stay on your own property, You need insurance if you wanna ride on trails. Like simcoe, gana, etc and green plated.

Also, save yourself a TON of BS and DO NOT buy a bike without a proper ownership.... You need a ownership to get insurance, to ride trails, and it'll help with resale.. Lots of MX bikes have no ownership and that's ok for riding MX courses. But you wanna trail ride so get a ownership or you'll be sorry!!! It's a world of BS trying to get a ownership for a bike that doesn't come with one.
 
Its going to be very hard to get a decent bike on your budget,you will be better off getting a 2stroke for that price as I personally would not touch a 4stroke at that price unless it was an old XR but those are dated.A 2stroke is much cheaper to rebuild engine wise than a 4stroke would be.All mx bikes can be converted to be trail worthy,I have a soft spot for Yamaha as the 2strokes are great to convert and never let me down and the 4stroke is known for their good valve train.When I had mine it never went out of adjustment spec.If I were on your budget I would look into a YZ125 or 250 if you can handle a bike,you can add a 13oz. flywheel weight to tame it down plus you wont be stalling as much.Or save some more and buy a 2007 and up 250F that you know is in good condition.Good luck and keep your eye on kijiji every day,there is no need to buy a US bike.
 
Also, save yourself a TON of BS and DO NOT buy a bike without a proper ownership.... You need a ownership to get insurance, to ride trails, and it'll help with resale.. Lots of MX bikes have no ownership and that's ok for riding MX courses. But you wanna trail ride so get a ownership or you'll be sorry!!! It's a world of BS trying to get a ownership for a bike that doesn't come with one.[/QUOTE]


Pesonally never had a problem getting a ownership for a non registered bike but you need to know what paperwork you need.It also helps if the MTO office you go to has past experience with non registered bikes,the ones east of toronto seem better at this.I had the Markham office give me a blue plate for a KTM 300 2stroke :lmao:
 
Also, save yourself a TON of BS and DO NOT buy a bike without a proper ownership.... You need a ownership to get insurance, to ride trails, and it'll help with resale.. Lots of MX bikes have no ownership and that's ok for riding MX courses. But you wanna trail ride so get a ownership or you'll be sorry!!! It's a world of BS trying to get a ownership for a bike that doesn't come with one.


Pesonally never had a problem getting a ownership for a non registered bike but you need to know what paperwork you need.It also helps if the MTO office you go to has past experience with non registered bikes,the ones east of toronto seem better at this.I had the Markham office give me a blue plate for a KTM 300 2stroke :lmao:[/QUOTE]

I'm headed to Markham for my next offroad bike reg.
 
Also know how quick chain/sprockets/tires/bars/clutch/clutch basket add up. A bunch of small stuff quickly emptys a $1000 or more from your wallet. A 125 two stroke MX would be a good idea if your new to dirt, a 250 will get you tired and hurt if your new.
 
Also, save yourself a TON of BS and DO NOT buy a bike without a proper ownership.... You need a ownership to get insurance, to ride trails, and it'll help with resale.. Lots of MX bikes have no ownership and that's ok for riding MX courses. But you wanna trail ride so get a ownership or you'll be sorry!!! It's a world of BS trying to get a ownership for a bike that doesn't come with one.

If the person doesn't have an ownership, it is not legally their's to sell. Although you can work around it. I bought one for my daughter without one, but the owners couldn't get one because the dealership he got it from went out of business. I wrote out an affidavit and they accepted it. I also found out not all Service Ontario places are equal. The ones that have always been doing vehicles will help you, but the newer ones don't have any experience.

At the very least go get a UVIP if they don't have one. All vehicles that have a VIN should have an ownership and run it at this website http://www.cpic-cipc.ca/English/search.cfm.

Sorry, I'm very adamant about this after inadvertently buying a stolen dirt bike from someone.
 
If the person doesn't have an ownership, it is not legally their's to sell. Although you can work around it. I bought one for my daughter without one, but the owners couldn't get one because the dealership he got it from went out of business. I wrote out an affidavit and they accepted it. I also found out not all Service Ontario places are equal. The ones that have always been doing vehicles will help you, but the newer ones don't have any experience.

At the very least go get a UVIP if they don't have one. All vehicles that have a VIN should have an ownership and run it at this website http://www.cpic-cipc.ca/English/search.cfm.

Sorry, I'm very adamant about this after inadvertently buying a stolen dirt bike from someone.

MX bikes dont usually come with an ownership.
 
MX bikes dont usually come with an ownership.
Bill of sale is sufficient i'm guessing.

I'm getting restarted into the dirt this year with a trials bike.Question? If i have permission from the landowner,would i still need a green plate (insurance?)? This is all new to this guy.back in the day,you just found some dirt and went nuts.
 
Bill of sale is sufficient i'm guessing.

I'm getting restarted into the dirt this year with a trials bike.Question? If i have permission from the landowner,would i still need a green plate (insurance?)? This is all new to this guy.back in the day,you just found some dirt and went nuts.

You dont need insurance on private property.

I bought a CR250 from machine racing, bill of sale is all I got.

If you end up with a bike with an ownership a green plate is a one time deal, no sticker to renew. I pay $120 a year for insurance so it really isn't that much of an added expensive if you decide you dont want to be limited to private property.

I guess the good thing about trials bikes is you dont need a lot of space to have fun. I really need to get myself one.
 

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