More expensive than unionized Germany? Is that true?
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More expensive than unionized Germany? Is that true?
Roadghost
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Yes, I agree. This shutdown has nothing to do with the union, and things would be a hell of a lot worse for the workers without the union - lower severance, no pension and a lot less notice. This has to do with seismic shifts in demand and the rise of electric vehicles. It also has to do with lower demand for passenger cars vs SUVs and pickup trucks. GM has also been planning new product for Mexico where everything is a lot cheaper: you don't pay to heat factories in Mexico, taxes are very low, people work for a pittance and live in mud/straw huts etc. Writing was on the wall a long time ago.
Hyundai and Kia are Korean.
The big 3... Do any of the American auto companies still make that list? Do we still refer to Chrysler as being an American company?
Right, this is what the market needs, more high horsepower "exciting" vehicles with todays congested roads, ridiculous speed laws, along with eye popping sticker prices. This is exactly why the "big 3" are in a mess. Totally lost to market demands. Many of them have axed or limited their car lineup.
totally lost.
Did someone say Civic Type R?
If you're dead set on buying an ugly car, may as well get it in puke green and own that MF.
J_F
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I can see canceling the dud sedans
haven't owned one since buying the x wife a Regal ~20 years ago
the trunk-car is a leftover from the last century, it's dead
drove Silverados for over 20 years, stopped that habit awhile back
can just rent a truck the 3 or 4 times a year I need one
but in the event that thinking changes, it's gonna be a Ford
#$%^& GM and their Mexican pickups
haven't owned one since buying the x wife a Regal ~20 years ago
the trunk-car is a leftover from the last century, it's dead
drove Silverados for over 20 years, stopped that habit awhile back
can just rent a truck the 3 or 4 times a year I need one
but in the event that thinking changes, it's gonna be a Ford
#$%^& GM and their Mexican pickups
Correct, cars that make them money and sell them more Civics and Accords.
I see the Corvette is doing much to spur Cruze and Volt sales...
48Connor
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Ugh the Type R was a fail. Who would pay $55k for a $40k car? Let alone a Civic...
Main issue was Honda hasn't made a car in 20 years that people would wait in line for, so they had no clue how to handle it, and handled it poorly.
Just talking about the NSX, they can't get rid of them. Selling $25k below sticker. Terribly slow cars, just like the old NSX.
But the big three does the same thing. Sell 800000 F150's a year and you can loose money on GT350's, GT's. Or sell more Wranglers and Ram's than you can shake a stick it and you can sell 700hp cars and SUV's. Same with Chev.
It may help housing affordability as a good number of GM employees sitting on mortgages may move east to get cheaper housing.
Mad Mike
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I hope so. I have 2 early 20 kids that have tried to buy in the Shwa... you can't get a dump or building lot for less than $300K.
Oshawa already has ridiculously high property tax compared to the GTA. Will sky rocket in two years time.
Not so sure about that.
sburns
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Someone I used to work with lived in North end of Oshawa was paying double what I did in Scarborough. Both single detached homes.
sburns
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You are being a bit stereotypical about Mexicans, but not too far off. They do have a educated workforce down there and yes earn less then we do, but I guess it is relative to the cost of living. Even if they didn't have a educated workforce they could still train them and still be ahead then workers from here.
Most of the other car manufactures have setup shop in Mexico. So this shouldn't have been a big surprise.
It's funny the savings they are gaining by moving down there is not passed along to the consumers.
How much did you pay in 2017? How many sqft? Land size? How many bedrooms? Just curious.
Its not that Oshawa is particularly high Toronto is just much lower than the rest or Ontario in a crazy way. If they incrythe property tax to a appropriate level they would be financially much better off.
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Here's a recent article that provides data. Oshawa has the second highest mill rate, Toronto has the lowest (more than 10% lower than the 2nd lowest). Obviously these need to get multiplied by house value. Using an "average" house, Toronto pays $5532 and Oshawa pays $7906.
http://torontostoreys.com/2018/07/gta-cities-highest-lowest-property-taxes/
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I find it shocking that mill rates vary by 220% in the GTA. It makes you wonder if there is any underlying logic or just politicians setting the rate wherever they need to generate the budgets they want.
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