G and M1 Licence Restrictions?

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The hybrid license stipulation is not cool at all. Why would improving your license (G<GM1,GM2) mean that you lose privileges? And why isn't this better known? I have had a GM2 for a couple years and didn't know that I was risking my license having a beer with dinner..
 
Kuma said:
The hybrid license stipulation is not cool at all. Why would improving your license (G<GM1,GM2) mean that you lose privileges? And why isn't this better known? I have had a GM2 for a couple years and didn't know that I was risking my license having a beer with dinner..
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Yep, it was a shocker for me too when I learned it. But it's true.
 
A cursory search provided other threads where it was interpreted as depending on which vehicle you are driving, which would make a lot more sense.

Otherwise there are implications which make the whole situation ridiculous:

Scenario 1: Middle aged man, driving for 20+ years, decides to get a motorcycle. Now that he has GM1, he cannot drive on the 400 series and must abide the dusk/dawn rules for new riders as well - while driving his work truck? If he departs at 4 AM for an early start can he be penalized?

Scenario 2: Same man, 20+ years driving clean record, this time driving his sedan, takes the missus out for their Anniversary. Has 1 alcoholic beverage with dinner, then drives his wife home. Goes thru a spot check and when he (honestly) admits to drinking (1 with dinner) he is put on a breathalyzer, and blows .01BAC.


I don't believe that is the way this law was meant to be interpreted!
 
I will repeat this again:

The restrictions only apply to the VEHICLE you are in!!!!!!! If you fail the M1X test do you think the MTO will take your G away??? No!! So when you are driving your car, the M restrictions dont apply!!!!! The only thing that will affect your G status are any moving violations or insurance violations. Only motorcycle regulations apply when you are riding a motorcycle!!!!!
 
General G said:
I will repeat this again:

The restrictions only apply to the VEHICLE you are in!!!!!!! If you fail the M1X test do you think the MTO will take your G away??? No!! So when you are driving your car, the M restrictions dont apply!!!!! The only thing that will affect your G status are any moving violations or insurance violations. Only motorcycle regulations apply when you are riding a motorcycle!!!!!
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Source?

There are already plenty of conflicting sources that say the restrictions do (see posts containing quotes from MTO website, people who asked their course instructors, etc).

I am NOT saying that you are wrong; I just want to point out that without solid proof (give us a link), we can't afford to simply take anyone's word for it.
 
Sora said:
Source?

There are already plenty of conflicting sources that say the restrictions do (see posts containing quotes from MTO website, people who asked their course instructors, etc).

I am NOT saying that you are wrong; I just want to point out that without solid proof (give us a link), we can't afford to simply take anyone's word for it.
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He doesn't have a source, because there is no where saying that.
I undertsand it is commoon sense that stipulations of licenses should only occur for that certain vehicle but it was not written that way.
(As mentioned it can't be true as G1 stipulation says you must have a passenger where as the M1 stipulates you must not have a passenger, So it must be illegal to drive if you have your G1M1)
 
jeffjones said:
He doesn't have a source, because there is no where saying that.
I undertsand it is commoon sense that stipulations of licenses should only occur for that certain vehicle but it was not written that way.
(As mentioned it can't be true as G1 stipulation says you must have a passenger where as the M1 stipulates you must not have a passenger, So it must be illegal to drive if you have your G1M1)
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Yep. AFAIK he won't find one, either.

As I said before it would be really nice if the ministry would just clear this up and state that restrictions only apply to the relevant vehicle class. Until then, better safe than sorry. (Though you won't catch me behind the wheel with my helmet on. That's just all kinds of silly.)
 
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This is ridiculous. Has anyone called traffic services or called MTO to confirm this?

Ive always thought that the condition/restriction only applies for the type of vehicle you're on.

G/M1 means
G restriction applies when driving a car

M1 restriction applies when riding a motorcycle

It doesnt make sense if
GM1 means your M1 restriction will be an addition to your G restriction when riding or driving.

I'm sure, like what some have said, that this ticket will easily be fought and won if contested in court.
 
This comes down to 'spirit of the law' vs 'letter of the law'. You would win, but it's still a hassle.
 
General G said:
I will repeat this again:

The restrictions only apply to the VEHICLE you are in!!!!!!! If you fail the M1X test do you think the MTO will take your G away??? No!! So when you are driving your car, the M restrictions dont apply!!!!! The only thing that will affect your G status are any moving violations or insurance violations. Only motorcycle regulations apply when you are riding a motorcycle!!!!!
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Once again, cop told me himself at a routine traffic check that on my GM2 I can't drink beer even though i'm driving a car. Do what you want.

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Corsara said:
Once again, cop told me himself at a routine traffic check that on my GM2 I can't drink beer even though i'm driving a car. Do what you want.

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Well if a cop said it, it must be true :D
 
Corsara said:
Once again, cop told me himself at a routine traffic check that on my GM2 I can't drink beer even though i'm driving a car. Do what you want.

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I bet if you asked another traffic cop you would get a different answer.

I still think it holds true that if you are holding a GM1 or GM2, based on the vehicle you driving/riding you must abide by those rules of that licence type so if you are riding your motorcycle while an M1 and you break those rules as in the common drinking question of one beer and you blow 0.01% than you will have your licence suspended which means that you are going to be screwed for the 30-days during that suspension for both G and M licence. The report get's sent to MTO instantly and you will get a notice in the mail from them stating so.

I am going message the MTO and get a straight answer and hopefully get this thread stickied to help people understand better.

So something slightly different found on the MTO website very similar to the above posters from the first page.

Other ways to lose your licence
Zero Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) for Novice and Young Drivers

All drivers who are 21 and under, regardless of licence class, must have a BAC level of zero when operating a motor vehicle.

If you are a novice driver and are caught with any amount of alcohol in your blood, you will receive an immediate 24-hour roadside driver licence suspension and, if convicted, could face a fine of up to $500 and receive at least a 30-day licence suspension under the novice driver escalating sanctions program.

If you are a fully licensed driver who is 21 years and under and you are caught with alcohol in your blood, you will receive a 24-hour roadside driver licence suspension. If convicted, you could face a fine and a 30-day licence suspension.
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Hybrid Drivers

Drivers that hold a novice licence and full licence, e.g., G/M2.

The penalties for Escalating Sanctions are as follows:
• 30-day licence suspension for the first occurrence; both full and novice driver’s licence will be suspended.
• 90-day licence suspension for the second occurrence; both full and novice driver’s licence will be suspended.
• Novice Licence cancellation for the third occurrence. Upon a third occurrence, your novice driver’s licence will be cancelled. You must re-apply to the graduated licensing program by passing a vision and knowledge test and paying all licensing fees. After you pass these tests, you will enter Level One and get a Class G1 licence. You must serve all the Level One and Level Two waiting periods and start as a new driver. You will not receive any driving experience credit from your previous novice class. Your full driver’s licence class will not be cancelled and a new licence card will be issued with your full class.

Note: If you receive a conviction for an escalating sanction offence but now hold a full class G driver’s licence, you will be required to serve the following:
• 30-day licence suspension for the first occurrence;
• 90-day licence suspension for the second occurrence; and
• 90-day licence suspension for the third occurrence.
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I'm still planning to call Traffic Services to try and get a straight answer, I just haven't had a chance yet (have been collecting up gear for my Rider's Training course).
 
The part that doesn't make sense to me is ZERO. So, no drinks the night before, no medications or candies with alcohol in them.

Anyway, for all those saying that it's common sense that it doesn't apply:
If some police officers believe it, they will charge you, your insurance company will get involved and you'll got through much hassle trying to get things straightened out.

In that situation what is the common sense thing for you to do?
 
Baggsy said:
The part that doesn't make sense to me is ZERO. So, no drinks the night before, no medications or candies with alcohol in them.

Anyway, for all those saying that it's common sense that it doesn't apply:
If some police officers believe it, they will charge you, your insurance company will get involved and you'll got through much hassle trying to get things straightened out.

In that situation what is the common sense thing for you to do?
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Find a buddy (or several), rotate being DD. :D

Edit: (in your cage, obviously). I don't think I want a drunk person on the back of my bike no matter how good friends we are.
 
Once again guys - I am not sure why this is still being debated. Restrictions for a specific class only apply to the vehicle of the same class. Do you really think trailer haulers will not be able to use the highway because they have M1? Do you think that just because you got your G1 you will now have to have a person with 4 years experience riding 2up with you on the motorcycle? You think a school bus driver with a class B will now lose his/her job because for 3 months she can't have any passengers?


Class M1: Motorcycles, including a limited-speed motorcycle (motor scooter) and a motor-assisted bicycle (moped). Level 1 of graduated licensing. Holders may drive a motorcycle under certain conditions, which are: Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) must be zero, riders can only ride during daylight hours (1/2 hour before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset), cannot ride on any highway with speeds of greater than 80 km/h except Highways 11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 101, 102, 144 and 655 and no passengers.

Pretty please find me a document that states that acquiring a new class somehow overrides any conditions of any previously acquired classes.
 
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This thread is interesting.

This past Sunday, I was riding behind and beside a police cruiser, but never passed it. When, I stopped beside the cruiser, just before the light turned green, the cruiser pulled over into my lane to block me. The officer said, "What are you doing? You have an M1 and you are riding alone. Pull over."

We had a back and forth about what I can and can't do. When he got in his cruiser to call and check the rules, I gave him my temporary license and showed him the back where everything is spelled out. After a few seconds, he got out, apologised, and then we shook hands and went on our separate ways.

The whole time, I had a smile on my face, knowing that I was right.

A few minutes later, and until now, i'm still trying to figure out how he was able to determine that I was an M1 rider even though I never got in front of him and allow him to be able to scan my plate (not that I was trying to do that. I was actually trying to get in front of the cruiser and pretend to ride like a good boy, lol). Do license plates have RFID tags in them now?
 
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding. I work for one of the local colleges as a Senior supervising Instructor, and am a ministry signing authority. The stipulations only apply to the type of vehicle you are driving. M1 or M2 stipulations only apply on your bike. Your license classes are linked, so if you blow any alcohol ON YOUR BIKE with an M1 or M2, you lose your entire license, that means your G, D, A, etc. is gone. If you are driving your car and have a beer with dinner, and aren't over the legal limit of .05 (warning and temp. suspension) or.08, you're fine, you ARE NOT under the stipulations of your M1 or M2 in your car. Corsara, the cop who told you that is wrong. The Centennial Instructor that said that is wrong as well. /end thread.
 
matt365 said:
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding. I work for one of the local colleges as a Senior supervising Instructor, and am a ministry signing authority. The stipulations only apply to the type of vehicle you are driving. M1 or M2 stipulations only apply on your bike. Your license classes are linked, so if you blow any alcohol ON YOUR BIKE with an M1 or M2, you lose your entire license, that means your G, D, A, etc. is gone. If you are driving your car and have a beer with dinner, and aren't over the legal limit of .05 (warning and temp. suspension) or.08, you're fine, you ARE NOT under the stipulations of your M1 or M2 in your car. Corsara, the cop who told you that is wrong. The Centennial Instructor that said that is wrong as well. /end thread.
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This is the kind of information I was looking for. I had created this thread in the hopes of dispelling a lot of misinformation that's out there.
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