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[Canuckles]

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I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.

I spent almost 2-3 weeks self reflecting on the event in question I’m still doing it even now so ya I may not know what was the main factor but I’ve already gone and broken up the factors that likely lead to the incident and so far I haven’t had it happen again even in worse weather so I do believe i learnt my lesson as I have a better understanding now of what my bike can and can’t handle

 

[Canuckles]

I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.

And sorry if I came across as rude in my other post I just believe I’ve extracted as much info as I’m gonna be able to cuz i don’t have it on video and I don’t have any other motorcyclist who saw it happen critique it so everything I have to go off of is speculation

 

[Wind Shear]

Did you not see the parts of the thread where I mentioned the factors I would have been in control of. Ultimately I don’t know what caused the issue but I believe it was a combo with the main players being my throttle control and or brake control along side poor body positioning. Of course I can’t control the weather but I can control how I ride in it and I likely misjudged the situation

I did see those parts. But still, bolded your quote above. I was hoping my anecdote might help.
But it's ok, I'm no sage and don't presume to hand down advice from some high altar. Heck, in a week I could be posting about some stupid target fixation crash or similar. I would like to think I'd be able to pinpoint what my mistake was.
If you want to get on a 600cc supersport at this stage, just continue to be careful and don't let hubris get away from you.

 

[Canuckles]

I did see those parts. But still, bolded your quote above. I was hoping my anecdote might help.
But it's ok, I'm no sage and don't presume to hand down advice from some high altar. Heck, in a week I could be posting about some stupid target fixation crash or similar. I would like to think I'd be able to pinpoint what my mistake was.
If you want to get on a 600cc supersport at this stage, just continue to be careful and don't let hubris get away from you.

Understood I’ve tried my best to piece together what I could’ve done differently and what I likely did that caused it and it’s definitely changed how I ride. I spent a while studying body positioning to try and get better with that still not where I want to be but I’ve been better at keeping my actual bikes lean angle less aggressive. I do understand your anecdote but unfortunately I didn’t have a moto instructor with me so I have to kinda grasp at straws a little with what knowledge on bikes, physics and general recollection of the incident I have. I don’t think it was one thing that caused my skill issue I believe it followed similar to the Swiss cheese model most pilots know what that is but if you want I can try to explain but it’s likely a mix of stuff that caused my day to go from pretty good to needing an ice pack and embarrassed

 

[Canuckles]

I did see those parts. But still, bolded your quote above. I was hoping my anecdote might help.
But it's ok, I'm no sage and don't presume to hand down advice from some high altar. Heck, in a week I could be posting about some stupid target fixation crash or similar. I would like to think I'd be able to pinpoint what my mistake was.
If you want to get on a 600cc supersport at this stage, just continue to be careful and don't let hubris get away from you.

Unfortunately it was one of those incidents where one second I was up next I was down and it happened right off a stop sign stand still. I do wear a camera now so that if something like that happens again I can rewatch the footage to see if I can notice anything from another perspective

 

[Canuckles]

Unfortunately it was one of those incidents where one second I was up next I was down and it happened right off a stop sign stand still. I do wear a camera now so that if something like that happens again I can rewatch the footage to see if I can notice anything from another perspective

Also I do believe I likely over exaggerated the incident when I posted it which was right after it happened still had Adrenaline but the best equivalent I can give is that this was one small step up from stationary dropping your bike I wasn’t going fast at all and there was very little damage. I’ve seen worse from guys showing off in parking lots at slow speeds

 

[Relax]

I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.

Same goes for anything in life. Maybe it's my OCD, but I can't just let something go without understanding the "why". It burns me up when we close cases at work citing "glitch" without any further info. And then we wonder why the same thing keeps happening over and over again, but instead of determining the root cause and fixing it, it becomes a "known issue". FFS.

 

[Canuckles]

Same goes for anything in life. Maybe it's my OCD, but I can't just let something go without understanding the "why". It burns me up when we close cases at work citing "glitch" without any further info. And then we wonder why the same thing keeps happening over and over again, but instead of determining the root cause and fixing it, it becomes a "known issue". FFS.

Honestly. This incident kept me up at night way more times than it should’ve lmao anyway fun chatting with y’all but I’m suiting up I’m riding up to my cottage for a boys weekend ride safe everyone

 

[Chris-CJ]

No point in trying to figure it out. Gravity did it.

Gravity made me drop a demo bike when I was back footing it into its parking slot and tapped the front brake to avoid an a***** who stepped into the line of parking.
No damage to the bike (as I was the "air bag") and a sore leg for me.

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