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Relax said:
But were those new riders in training who never rode before? OP's got 4000 km's under their belt, so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt - by then they shouldn't be doing stuff like hammering the brakes mid-corner. And even if they did, isn't that the point of these aids? I'll give you steering input, but from the tests I've read about in the past, you should be able to hammer the brakes and/or throttle and ABS/traction control should be able to prevent lockup. No guarantee you'll slow down in time to make the turn if you overcooked it, but that's going back to the laws of physics). What other reason is there for a six-axis IMU that measures roll, pitch, yaw, surge, heave, and sway?
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Again, we know nothing about the OP. Mileage is not an indicator of experience and/or skill.

I know riders who put on 30,000 kms every season.

But most of that is commuting back and forth to work on the same stretch of road every single day.

They basically do the same 1 km, 30,000 times a year, and their skills are far inferior to someone who rides track/trails and only does 5K a year on the weekends.
 
Lightcycle said:
Again, we know nothing about the OP. Mileage is not an indicator of experience and/or skill.

I know riders who put on 30,000 kms every season.

But most of that is commuting back and forth to work on the same stretch of road every single day.

They basically do the same 1 km, 30,000 times a year, and their skills are far inferior to someone who rides track/trails and only does 5K a year on the weekends.
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This is an extremely good point. I’m definitely not super experienced I have a lot of highway riding back and forth between Toronto on a variety of different roads as well as more country style roads up towards my cottage but I definitely wouldn’t say I’m the most skilled 4000km rider out there. Thankfully at the end of the day the only issue was hurt pride but it definitely opened my eyes to a few things
 
Relax said:
I completely agree that technology can't repeal the laws of physics - this is something I used to remind everyone when it was first introduced. But based on my own limited experience with a bike that had that stuff (my Hyperstrada which had no IMU), you'd have to do something pretty crazy to lowside it the way the OP described. The sense I got from the description is that he simply made a turn and the rear slipped out while accelerating though it. So traction control didn't sense the wheelspin. Maybe if there was a huge rut or bump in the middle of the turn?
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I'm thinking metal, painted line or oil. Some condition that the computer couldn't see coming that drastically changed traction.
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm thinking metal, painted line or oil. Some condition that the computer couldn't see coming that drastically changed traction.
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Could be but I definitely didn’t handle that situation the best otherwise I would’ve still been rubber side down. It sucks that it happened but it was a good learning experience for me and I think the knowledge I gained from it has made me a safer rider
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm thinking metal, painted line or oil. Some condition that the computer couldn't see coming that drastically changed traction.
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Another thing that it could’ve been is Debris on the road. I posted a pic of a thing I thought came off my bike during the slide but everyone said it didn’t look like a moto part but it was right by where the bike stopped and had some signs that it had been scraped along the ground
 
GreyGhost said:
I'm thinking metal, painted line or oil. Some condition that the computer couldn't see coming that drastically changed traction.
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But they measure in milliseconds. It doesn't care what's on the road, it just has to cut power as soon as slip is detected. Maybe I'm giving it too much credit, which is funny because I was a big critic of it when it first came out.
 
Relax said:
But they measure in milliseconds. It doesn't care what's on the road, it just has to cut power as soon as slip is detected. Maybe I'm giving it too much credit, which is funny because I was a big critic of it when it first came out.
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All good bud we solved what happened bike was tired wanted nap
 
Canuckles said:
I know someone who might be selling their bike in the spring it’s a GSX-r 600 but he mentioned that he’d like me try it out a little. I don’t really push limits too much my reason for a super sport is I feel safer on it than any other bike I’ve tried it’s to do with my centre of gravity I think
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Good mindset, however as you've recently witnessed you will make mistakes. That's normal. However new riders are more prone to make new mistakes as they develop, hence my caution about the race bikes. Riding beyond your means is only 1 reason people end up in guard rails, so to speak.
 
Evoex said:
Good mindset, however as you've recently witnessed you will make mistakes. That's normal. However new riders are more prone to make new mistakes as they develop, hence my caution about the race bikes.
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Makes sense I may be a dumb teen (wait **** 20 isn’t a teen) but I do plan on coming home from all my rides so I will definitely take things slow
 
Lightcycle said:
😕🤡💩

I readily admit that I'm not a very good motorcycle rider.

I'm slow and I crash a lot.
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At least I’m not the only one. I’m like if you have a busa powered go kart to a 12 year old on adhd meds. It’s not gonna end well but it sure is fun to watch
 
Wingboy said:
No point in trying to figure it out. Gravity did it.
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**** why didn’t I think of that lmaooo. In the split second before the bike hit the ground I should’ve teleported back in time and stopped newton from inventing gravjty then I would’ve been fine. I’m keeping that in mind for next time lol
 
I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.
 
Wind Shear said:
I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.
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Did you not see the parts of the thread where I mentioned the factors I would have been in control of. Ultimately I don’t know what caused the issue but I believe it was a combo with the main players being my throttle control and or brake control along side poor body positioning. Of course I can’t control the weather but I can control how I ride in it and I likely misjudged the situation
 
Wind Shear said:
I re-read this thread and your other one about selling the bike. I hear a lot of "maybe" and possibly" from you about what happened, but ultimately you're not really sure. May I humbly relay an anecdote?

In my teens (many many years ago) I wanted to fly airplanes.
Began lesson in the winter - nice, cold, crisp, DENSE, air. Takeoff's were easy.
Maybe 6 or 7 lessons in, it was the first real warm day. Taxi to takeoff, hit my rotation speed (iirc was around 50 kts), pull... and bounce, several times, down the runway.
Instructor takes over, immediately pulls throttle and we taxi back off the runway. And SIT.
"What happened?
me: we bounced, a couple times.
Why?
me: ..... I.... don't know."
So we continued to sit until I figured it out. A few questions to guide me, what's my Vr speed, what are the conditions today, temp, wind, etc.
Finally it clicked with me. I was previously relying on good cold air and was yanking/forcing the aircraft up with the elevators, rather than rotating and letting the wings gain lift.
"EXACTLY"
We go back and try again. I changed my approach/movements, and never an issue again.

I never ended up finishing my PPL, probably for the best. But that lesson really stuck with me. Unless you do some real self-reflection to figure out what actions YOU made to cause a screw up, you haven't really "learned your lesson" and may repeat it.
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Also I’ve wanted to go for my PPL but FAA doesn’t allow adhd stimulant meds unfortunately.
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