Valve check at 1000kms lol. Sounds like Honda wrapped it together in duct tape and glue if it needs that type of maintenance.
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First 1000km Maintainence, Valve Check?
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-Maverick-
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1000 km's is a post PDI inspection. Valve check at 1000 km's is just another money grab. The engine is still running on cutting oil. More harm could be done by a mechanic or apprentice opening the engine than not. If they [Honda] insist you waste this money, ask to see the valve clearances yourself. Meaning they will have to take you back and show you that the engine has been opened. Most mechanics will not crack open an engine at 1000 km's, they will run it to oil operating temp and listen for lifter noise.
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chiefswallow
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Typically, valves begin sitting tighter into the seats (the seats or valve face wears), thus the valve clearances get tighter. Any bike I've ever owned, the valves have never got looser, they always get tighter. Let it go too long and you'll burn the valve because it's being held slightly open when it fires.
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Andreas
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I bought a US bike in 2009 and had a years worth of US warranty and haven't had a single problem other than my battery dying after what is it, 5.5 years.. Mega considering it's the size of a dirtbike battery. I've done regular maintenance with the exception of cam chain tensioner and valve check. 55,000km later and she's still pulling like a bullet train.
I am very rarely above 10,000 rpm as my bike makes its peak power around there, so I'm not as worried as I may have been riding a 600.
I was told by a reputable mechanic that if you don't hear the valves (tight) I should consider checking the valves then; however, seeing as they make a bit of noise, I'm going to keep riding this thing another xxxxx kms until more major things creep up and need a looking at.
I am very rarely above 10,000 rpm as my bike makes its peak power around there, so I'm not as worried as I may have been riding a 600.
I was told by a reputable mechanic that if you don't hear the valves (tight) I should consider checking the valves then; however, seeing as they make a bit of noise, I'm going to keep riding this thing another xxxxx kms until more major things creep up and need a looking at.
I_AM_TETSUO
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When I called Markham Power for my first service on my CBR250 they said they would do the valve check if I wanted but that in the three years the bike has been in production they have not had a single one out of spec. I opted to skip it.
What is cutting oil?
Cracking open an engine is taking the valve cover off?
Does your bike have lifters?
-Maverick-
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A thin viscosity oil.
Yes. And getting to the valve / cam covers requires removing a lot of parts.
"Lifter noise" is a term used in the trade...even for overhead cam engines.
RR929
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It's a CBR 250, brand new is like under $5000 some got them way cheaper brand new from the show. If you are thinking following all Honda recommended maintanance and it would bring your resale value much higher, you need to check the resale value currently. I doubt you will get $500 more if u do all your maintenance work at a Honda dealer.
Lots of shop are rip off, need to be careful. Someone mentioned to you that you should go see the work being done especially if they charges you a few hundred dollars for a valve check and you don't even know if they open the engine cover.
Going to a homebase repair shop could be an option, not for everyone, but for me with an old bike, its fine with me. Recently found a place in Scarborough, skeptical at first, only got plugs and oil change done there but the dude seems quite good and you get to watch him do all the work.
Lots of shop are rip off, need to be careful. Someone mentioned to you that you should go see the work being done especially if they charges you a few hundred dollars for a valve check and you don't even know if they open the engine cover.
Going to a homebase repair shop could be an option, not for everyone, but for me with an old bike, its fine with me. Recently found a place in Scarborough, skeptical at first, only got plugs and oil change done there but the dude seems quite good and you get to watch him do all the work.
Is cutting oil like that Mystical break in oil that I cant find any info on?
If your mechanic thinks he will damage the bike by taking the valve cover off I would question his abilities.
Is lifter noise present when there is to little clearance?
Beleive it or not, a few years back most bikes required a valve clearance check at 1000 kms. Honda clearly wants to limit its warranty liabilities for a reason.
-Maverick-
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So you want an apprentice practicing on your brand new $20,000 CBR 1000 RR? Perhaps he drops the gas tank? Scratches a few fairings? Drops his cigarette in the cam cover? Strips a bolt not knowing how to use a torque wrench? Why? Because Honda is into greed? Leave well enough alone. As written in this thread...even a Honda Dealer doesn't recommend it.
I just do it myself, removed the fuel tank etc on my RSV4 right after buying it just to check a few things.....ofcourse I also checked the valves on one of Suzukis at about %50% of the required interval to find 25% out of spec......so ya I think its better to check them than not.
Still wondering about this low viscosity oil, cant help to think what would happen to brand new bike on a hot summer day?
When the Honda dealer checks the valves does the dealer make the money or Honda corporation?
Still wondering about this low viscosity oil, cant help to think what would happen to brand new bike on a hot summer day?
When the Honda dealer checks the valves does the dealer make the money or Honda corporation?
-Maverick-
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Not really into another oil thread. Non-synthetic SAE 30 "break in" oil is what's used by some manufacturers. That's why they want it out of there at 1000 km's. The mating of surfaces has taken place as well as it's going to with hopefully no cyl glazing. These Duc guys have it all covered here:
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/ducati-superbikes/2223-break-oil.html
Oil threads are generally a waste of time as no two techs, no two dyno guys, no two manufacturers will agree.
Just wondering, who's to say you checked these valve clearances properly? Would someone with a license agree with your work? There is something about "murf the backyard mechanic and Aprillia RSV4 Factory" that just doesn't sit well. Not insulting you in anyway, just hope you know what you're doing!
Sorry dont see anything about SAE 30 in that link as break in oil....maybe I missed it?
I think I checked my first valve clearances when I was a teenager......I'd check the clearances on my 450 motocross after every couple rides. Its not rocket science. Funny thing with my Aprilia dealer, he asked me to check something in the transmission so he wouldnt have too pick it up and check it himself......he doesnt have a problem with my abilities, no worries.
-Maverick-
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Sorry dont see anything about SAE 30 in that link as break in oil....maybe I missed it?
I think I checked my first valve clearances when I was a teenager......I'd check the clearances on my 450 motocross after every couple rides. Its not rocket science. Funny thing with my Aprilia dealer, he asked me to check something in the transmission so he wouldnt have too pick it up and check it himself......he doesnt have a problem with my abilities, no worries.
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/break-in-oil-(sae-30)/
http://royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-break-in-oil/?gclid=CO3Xud_Ny7kCFelAMgodWQoAIA
Thanks for telling us all about your abilities, thats fascinating. Altho I'd rather trust someone with a license and that knows what break-in oil is.
I thought you didnt trust the dealerships?
Do you really think a vehicle manufacturer would use a straight weight 30 oil in their engines? They used that stuff 50 years ago. Its fine for your lawnmower though! Besides, I thought it was supposed to be a thin viscosity oil?
http://www.sae.org/news/releases/rightoil.htm
Your own article from the Ducati guys said:
"Every Ducati is run-in for ten minutes or more on the dyno using a prescribed rpm and temperature sequence. Many manufacturers including Ducati, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Corvette, Viper and Aston Martin do their initial fill with a synthetic oil, and piston wall glazing is simply not a problem for them."
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chief ten bears
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Checking is a good thing, and doesn't take long to do. I did my '12 CBR125R at 4000km. Intake was a little loose but within spec, and the exhaust valve was actually tight. So, the 1 hour I took out of my day to check, was definitely worth while. I'd rather check and know they are ok, because tight valves are quiet valves, and its peace of mind. Especially since Honda recommends it, and you don't want any warranty issues either...
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You can check for this with a cheap cylinder compression tester, anyone can do themselves. While at it, look at the plugs. good to do by yourself once a season anyway.
checking valve clearances is a bit of work, but definitely do-it-yourself territory.
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