Fire Department bills me for nothing

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infernobuster said:
LOL. Keep living in your bubble buddy.
I dont know where you get your info, but your wrong on all cases.

Just to shed some light on your incredible sources ..
Fire arrives first 99% of the time on most calls. We are the first ones to get the " so called info" from a scene.
Police and Ambulance coming looking for us since we already have it most of the time.
We exchange info freely among the 3 services. The only road block we hit is when that person hits the hospital. It is than hard to retreive info on a person.

Check with any FD in any city or town and ask them about call volumes. Each one of them will tell you the exact same thing, that call volumes are skyrocketing.
Sure "huge" fires are say a monthly thing, depending on the dept. And yes in general fires have gone down due to better public eductation and prevention programs.

Our specialized skills are used daily, regardless if the public is aware of it or not.
Safer doesnt mean its easier to gain access too.
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Fire does not arrive first 99% of the time. Don't start quoting nonsense percentages.
Your response times are quicker but that's because you start the clock when you go mobile not when call is received.
(Ambulance response time standard is the time that a call requesting emergency ambulance response is first received at the communication service will be included in the overall response time reported by the ministry. According to the website, this change acknowledges that up to the first two minutes of all calls for emergency ambulance response is used by the ambulance communication service call taker to elicit call and patient information, and to determine and dispatch the closest and most appropriate ambulance to the call.)



PHIPA. Personal Health Information Protection Act. Look it up.

Your call volumes are up because you now do medical calls(which have gone up) which you never did as often until the big boys noticed your call volume was dropping. (And city council was starting to ask questions) And therefore the city would lower the FD budget. You guys have some smart ones(seriously) at the top that know what needs to be done in this day and age to make sure you all keep your jobs. If you guys hadn't have created Tiered Response...you guys would have been in trouble. And then the public, police and paramedics would have all suffered.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/09/07/toronto-firefighters-budget.html

The info you collect is for yourselves for call numbers and billing. Police and paramedics will always gather their own information. Because if the information you give them is wrong... It's their ass. (I can't tell a Dr at the hospital or a lawyer in court that a fire fighter said this or that)
But we will always take the piece of paper and thank you for it.

Like I said in the first post, FD is great at what thy are trained to do. A city without a FD will fall apart. You boys do good work.
I'm always happy to see FD on a call. (you help/assist us a lot) One less bag I have to carry, way less strain on the back carrying a fatty with 4-5 guys than two, stretchers all set up, someone to do compressions, someone to bag(once placements confirmed) someone to hold the IV bag, someone to help cut the pt out of the car, someone to secure the car so I don't get crushed by it. Etc etc etc.... All very much appreciated.

But back to the topic at hand. Maybe the OP can answer this.
If no one had showed up would you have dusted yourself off, pulled the deer of the road and pulled your bike to the side of the road yourself?
If so then you shouldn't be charged a fee. If you did indeed need help doing those things then there should be a charge($50) but what you got billed is a bit ridiculous. IMO
 
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SFer said:
Fire does not arrive first 99% of the time. Don't start quoting nonsense percentages.
Your response times are quicker but that's because you start the clock when mobile not when call is received.


PHIPA. Look it up.

Your call volumes are up because you now do medical calls(which have gone up) which you never did as often until the big boys noticed your call volume was dropping. And therefore the city would lower the FD budget. You guys have some smart ones at the top that know what needs to be done in this day and age to make sure you all keep your jobs.

The info you collect is for yourselves for call numbers and billing. Police and paramedics will always gather their own information. Because if the information you give them is wrong... It's their ***.
But we will always take the piece of paper and thank you for it.

Like I said in the first post, FD is great at what thy are trained to do. A city without a FD will fall apart. You boys do good work.
I'm always happy to see FD on a call. One less bag I have to carry, way less strain on the back carrying a fatty with 4-5 guys than two, stretchers all set up, someone to do compressions, someone to bag(once placements confirmed) someone to hold the IV bag, someone to help cut the pt out of the car, someone to secure the car so I don't get crushed by it. Etc etc etc.... All very much appreciated.

But back to the topic at hand. Maybe the OP can answer this.
If no one had showed up would you have dusted yourself off, pulled the deer of the road and pulled your bike to the side of the road yourself?
If so then you shouldn't be charged a fee. If you did indeed need help doing those things then there should be a charge but what you got billed is a bit ridiculous. IMO
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Sounds pretty dickish to talk like firefighters are your personal servants or something.
 
All we need is a pig in here to complete this convo


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I had an incident quite a few years ago in a small southern Ontario town... long story short, car burnt to the ground, police and two fire trucks showed up and the fire was extinguished. About 3 months later I received a bill in the mail for the cost of the fire trucks (2 trucks x $300 per hour) bill totaled $600. Took the bill into my insurance company and they took care of it. Thank you.

Although I'm enjoying this back and fourth pissing contest, in the end it is what it is, and the fee system won't change anytime soon.
 
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OpenGambit said:
Sounds pretty dickish to talk like firefighters are your personal servants or something.
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Lol
Can't take a compliment. Fine. I'll take it back then
Help/assist/serve.... So far you've done a great job at twisting everyone's words from the start of the thread.

On the calls I go to that's what they do for us and I appreciate it. Can't say it any other way. Jeez.
 
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infernobuster said:
Yeah, some medics think we are out to take their jobs. So they put on a huge hate for us ..

Thank you for your thoughts though, your message has been printed off.
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Never said I hated FD. I've only said your help is appreciated.

I'm not concerned about you taking my job. Just as you shouldn't be concerned of me taking yours. I wouldn't want it.

Print away. Do you deny that that is how you help at calls? FD assists the paramedics on scene. Paramedics are the higher medical authority on scene. Just like when I get to the hospital i help out the DR and nurses.
If there is a fire FD tells us where to standby, incase someone is injured. I am happy to stay out of your way to do your job, I don't have the skills or equipment to do it. Just as you don't have the skills or equipment to do my job. I don't know why this is getting you upset.

Why are your feathers all ruffled?
 
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SFer said:
Why are your feathers all ruffled?
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You came across as very arrogant and insulting. If I was a firefighter I would be ****** too. How would you like it if a doctor or some other higher medical authority called you a glorified ambulance driver?
 
SFer said:
Never said I hated FD. I've only said your help is appreciated.

I'm not concerned about you taking my job. Just as you shouldn't be concerned of me taking yours. I wouldn't want it.

Print away. Do you deny that that is how you help at calls? FD assists the paramedics on scene. Paramedics are the higher medical authority.
If there is a fire FD tells us where to standby, incase someone is injured. I am happy to stay out of your way to do your job, I don't have the skills or equipment to do it. Just as you don't have the skills or equipment to do my job. I don't know why this is getting you upset.

Why are your feathers all ruffled?
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Wow dude, you are insecure about your job - don't be as I think most people have a lot of respect for you guys as well as the FD, now the cops that is a whole other story
 
Paulhv1 said:
You came across as very arrogant and insulting. If I was a firefighter I would be ****** too. How would you like it if a doctor or some other higher medical authority called you a glorified ambulance driver?
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I did mean it sincerely. I think it's just to easy to read things the wrong way on a web forum, plus these guys have been on the defensive from the start. I put all that stuff down saying I realize they help a lot. I don't have 6 arms.

Second part- I get called an ambulance driver all the time. I mean if you have never needed us you'd never know what we do.
 
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I did mean it sincerely. I think it's just to easy to read things the wrong way on a web forum. I put all that stuff down saying I realize they help a lot. I don't have 6 arms.

Second part- I get called an ambulance driver all the time. I mean if you have never needed us you'd never know what we do.
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somewhere the adage about walking a mile in my shoes likely applies here
 
SFer said:
Lol
Can't take a compliment. Fine.
I'll take it back then.

On the calls I go to that's what they do for us and I appreciate it. Can't say it any other way. Jeez.
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I don't think any reasonable person can read your post and interpret that as sincere. Maybe instead of blaming the web, you can simply express yourself better.
 
infernobuster said:
Yeah, some medics think we are out to take their jobs. So they put on a huge hate for us ..

Thank you for your thoughts though, your message has been printed off.
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Can I use it as a coupon towards one free service call? thanks!
 
I give up.

I love how they didn't refute what I said but instead just started calling me names. ;)

OpenGambit said:
I don't think any reasonable person can read your post and interpret that as sincere. Maybe instead of blaming the web, you can simply express yourself better.
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Maybe I'll do that, I will go back and add stuff in using ()
Like I said you've been on the defensive from the start. It's too bad.
 
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medicdon said:
Well if firefighters don't have someone telling them how awesome they are at least 3 times a day they do get a little cranky
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Ive only been told twice today .. you the third one now?

LOL> Thank you for the infraction too, not sure what it was for since i said someone was a "crybaby". Apparently now thats an insult worth infraction.

You two can carry on now .. lmao.
 
infernobuster said:
Ive only been told twice today .. you the third one now?

LOL> Thank you for the infraction too, not sure what it was for since i said someone was a "crybaby". Apparently now thats an insult worth infraction.

You two can carry on now .. lmao.
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Other guy acts like a douche bag and you get the infraction that's ****** up.
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