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Fined 155$, unsafe left turn...

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Im watching cp24, and noticed something that caught my attention. Toronto man Fined 155$, unsafe left turn that killed motorcyclist.

I cant seem to find any other information on this atm.

What is going on here!!? I also heard last week a woman in missisauga area made another unsafe left turn, and killed another. These aren't accidents, this is murder!! This happened one or two weeks ago, I also saw it on CP24, and cant find no information of anything. It happend at this exact location http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=missis...=JXhs6BnvFV-HIjdEkbvhTw&cbp=12,206.1,,0,13.86
 
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And apparently our lives aren't worth that much to others :(
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Life is cheap if you ride a motorcycle, I suppose. Perhaps he should have been charged with negligence causing death. At least he'd have to pay some lawyer 10 or 20 grand to defend himself.
 
caboose483 said:
How is it murder?
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I agree, murder might be a stretch. If I solely allowed my emotions to control how I felt then I would agree with the OP. Unsafe left turn only - that's a ****ing joke! Negligence causing death, definitely! A criminal charge needs to be laid here, not an HTA offence.
 
155$ definitely doesn't cover how much it actually costs to send the following to a scene of such accident:

- multiple police cruisers to block/route traffic and create a perimeter
- an ambulance (or two)
- a firetruck full of firemen (not all accident scenes have firetrucks, but still)
- two tow trucks (or more) to take the damaged vehicles away (although the insurance pays them)
- if there's a fatality, some forensics people to take pictures and try and analyze skidmarks, visibility, etc...(all that other CSI stuff)


Can anyone else guess where the balance comes from? :rolleyes:

Am i crazy here to think that if someone is charged with something such as an improper left turn and it causes an accident, they should foot the bill for all the services that were dispatched to take care of the scene? Wouldn't that slightly reduce the strain on our tax dollar?
Heck, if that person would of paid attention and went when it was safe, none of the above would need to be sent out.
 
you squeal your tires at a light and you get a careless driving charge. you dont pay attention, the prime definition of careless driving charger, take out a rider and you get a lesser fine.

This is a fine world we live in.
 
jeero said:
155$ definitely doesn't cover how much it actually costs to send the following to a scene of such accident:

- multiple police cruisers to block/route traffic and create a perimeter
- an ambulance (or two)
- a firetruck full of firemen (not all accident scenes have firetrucks, but still)
- two tow trucks (or more) to take the damaged vehicles away (although the insurance pays them)
- if there's a fatality, some forensics people to take pictures and try and analyze skidmarks, visibility, etc...(all that other CSI stuff)


Can anyone else guess where the balance comes from? :rolleyes:

Am i crazy here to think that if someone is charged with something such as an improper left turn and it causes an accident, they should foot the bill for all the services that were dispatched to take care of the scene? Wouldn't that slightly reduce the strain on our tax dollar?
Heck, if that person would of paid attention and went when it was safe, none of the above would need to be sent out.
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Their insurance would cover all of the above so it would have little affect on the driver. I agree that something with much larger consequences than unsafe left turn is warranted in these situations, but in Ontario they have been very consistent with this charge.
 
GreyGhost said:
Their insurance would cover all of the above so it would have little affect on the driver. I agree that something with much larger consequences than unsafe left turn is warranted in these situations, but in Ontario they have been very consistent with this charge.
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Then in a way we are still the ones footing the bill through our high premiums.
I'd vote to say that these fines (for the emergency services) shouldn't be covered by insurance companies, but then I can see situations where people who don't have much money to begin with would have a hard time paying the bills, if at all, thus causing a strain on the emergency services' budgets.

A little extreme but...don't pay the emergency services' bills, can't renew your license?
I'm probably going too far. I just want people to learn to look in EVERY DIRECTION before making any turns. Car, truck, bike, scooter, skateboard, i don't care...knowing what's around you and what's oncoming will prevent a lot of accidents.
I expect too much out of the general public lol. :rolleyes:
 
Look at it this way. If the rider was driving a car, he'd still be alive and most likely uninjured. Fact is he was riding a motorcycle. He chose to operate a vehicle that offers no protection. I'm not saying that makes it right that the car killed the rider due to driver error, it just boils down to the simplest interpretation of traffic laws. Unless the driver intended to run down the motorcyclist, the charge is appropriate. Really, what do you people think the driver deserves? Second degree murder?
 
Actually isnt it manslaughter?
 
^^ YUP.

and a stiffer fine is needed. Like i said, a careless driving ticket is appropriate.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
^^ YUP.

and a stiffer fine is needed. Like i said, a careless driving ticket is appropriate.
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At least! I did a wheelie, caused no harm to anyone...And have a criminal dangerous driving record for it.....They even tried to put me in jail for it at first...Thats not fair
 
JohnnyP636 said:
At least! I did a wheelie, caused no harm to anyone...And have a criminal dangerous driving record for it.....They even tried to put me in jail for it at first...Thats not fair
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I can see putting someone in jail for a wheelie... if they did it at a daycare.
 
RetroGrouch said:
Look at it this way. If the rider was driving a car, he'd still be alive and most likely uninjured. Fact is he was riding a motorcycle. He chose to operate a vehicle that offers no protection. I'm not saying that makes it right that the car killed the rider due to driver error, it just boils down to the simplest interpretation of traffic laws. Unless the driver intended to run down the motorcyclist, the charge is appropriate. Really, what do you people think the driver deserves? Second degree murder?
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License suspension at the very least. That's just my opinion.

I tend to think when negligence causes death, your typically HTA fines arent appropriate.
 
Quite a number of US jurisdictions have been putting in minimum (read: larger) penalties for being at fault in a right-of-way violation which results in death or injury. The message is simple: PAY ATTENTION.

Ontario has not followed suit. If I had my 'druthers, I'd revoke the huge penalties in the "street racing" section and replace them with huge penalties for being at-fault in a right-of-way violation resulting in death or injury. Driver's license suspended for at least a certain minimum and then beyond that until such time as you pay the fine. Kill someone else with your vehicle? Your driver's license is done. END.
 
RetroGrouch said:
Look at it this way. If the rider was driving a car, he'd still be alive and most likely uninjured. Fact is he was riding a motorcycle. He chose to operate a vehicle that offers no protection. I'm not saying that makes it right that the car killed the rider due to driver error, it just boils down to the simplest interpretation of traffic laws. Unless the driver intended to run down the motorcyclist, the charge is appropriate. Really, what do you people think the driver deserves? Second degree murder?
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So if someone is walking across the street with the right of way and someone makes a left turn and hits the pedestrian while crossing the sidewalk and kills them...only a $155 fine is ok with you? That person made the decision to just walk and not drive or take the bus. Or should everyone just stay in their house because of bad drivers?
 
Brian P said:
Quite a number of US jurisdictions have been putting in minimum (read: larger) penalties for being at fault in a right-of-way violation which results in death or injury. The message is simple: PAY ATTENTION.

Ontario has not followed suit. If I had my 'druthers, I'd revoke the huge penalties in the "street racing" section and replace them with huge penalties for being at-fault in a right-of-way violation resulting in death or injury. Driver's license suspended for at least a certain minimum and then beyond that until such time as you pay the fine. Kill someone else with your vehicle? Your driver's license is done. END.
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Not a bad idea.
This isn't to say that if you're involved in an accident and someone dies from it that since you survived you're automatically charged, but only if AFTER the investigation and trial that you're found guilty of negligence then stick it to them.

Bothers me to see people just get away with this. Not because it was a motorcyclist, it bothers me when it's anyone that needlessly kills someone else.
 
Note to self, if I ever want to run someone down in my pick up just tell the cops I was trying to make a left hand turn.
Does anyone know if the cager pled down to a lesser charge?
 
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