Yes it is bad and has been bad for a while - thanks mainly to purdue pharma and the sackler family from what I gather, pushing oxy for everything up to a stubbed toe. I hear they're cashing out on overdose prevention these days, so they're making bank off of both sides of this
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Fentanyl - WTF?
- Thread starter Mad Mike
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A friend was an alcoholic addicted to Percocet in the 90s, just when it was beginning to show up on the radar. Millwright union tried putting him in rehab 4 times, it just didn't stick (not that he wanted it to). Another buddy was a union rep. He said if he did get to the top of the list and get a gig on a site, they'd stick him in the corner sitting on a bucket sorting bolts, he was that dangerous to work with. Died 10 years ago, 2 weeks before his 52nd birthday. His sister put this pic of him in his obit. She refused to sugarcoat his death with an old "good" pic of him. He looked like he was in his 80s. Watching him spiral out of control was heartbreaking.
Last year a friend OD'd the day before his 36th birthday. He had been a recreational partier for years. His niece told me she saw his mother singing happy birthday in his empty bedroom. Tonight I found out a friend of a friend OD'd two weeks before her 30th birthday. Her 8 year old daughter was in the front row at her funeral.
Politicians in North America really need to pull their heads out of their ---es and learn from countries like Portugal.
Politicians in North America really need to pull their heads out of their ---es and learn from countries like Portugal.
They are finding that the brain is wired from birth with specific attributes. Then throw in what we are subjected to, the nature / nurture thing. Drugs are bad but so is booze, tobacco, weed, and food.
Not everyone is born with the same ability to handle stress. If they are born into a dysfunctional family they may not do well.
How many people die prematurely of a food overdose? Some addictions are just more socially and legally acceptable. The cops aren't going to bust you for ordering a triple cheeseburger with a side of poutine.
Mad Mike
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Perhaps its just natural selection at work, survival of the fittest?
Any Darwinism or Mendelian students here??
Darwin gets a lot of credit for terminal correction of stupid .
I have an understanding of the “addictive personality “ , folks that can’t be one foot in on any activity, I’m one .
So I don’t put myself in toxic situations, and I have learned who I can be around .
I do have empathy for those that can’t control it. There are often a lot of other issues that lead to drug use/ alcohol / poutine abuse .
My closing argument would be a beer , a joint , a burger won’t kill you without warning , fentanyl will kill you , maybe on your first or second trip.
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I have an understanding of the “addictive personality “ , folks that can’t be one foot in on any activity, I’m one .
So I don’t put myself in toxic situations, and I have learned who I can be around .
I do have empathy for those that can’t control it. There are often a lot of other issues that lead to drug use/ alcohol / poutine abuse .
My closing argument would be a beer , a joint , a burger won’t kill you without warning , fentanyl will kill you , maybe on your first or second trip.
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Students are popping stimulants like candy at University and College campuses. Then it can go to harder drugs *NOT weed* for recreational use at parties.
Oh well
Priller
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Easy to say, but if a doctor prescribes Oxycontin with little regard for risk of addiction due to misleading marketing by the manufacturer, blaming the patient for not doing enough research is a bit of a stretch for me. Those drugs don't care about 'addictive personalities', as they can get ahold of anyone. I know of two otherwise normal, healthy, successful people who lost everything (job, house, family) to addiction to prescription painkillers. One woman got through it, one man died on the street. Neither had a hint of an issue with addiction beforehand.
They were also often prescribed for pain situations that go beyond sacking up and managing it. A good friend had chronic spinal pain, and he almost went insane trying to gut his way through it via lack of sleep and the psychological consequences of chronic pain. He eventually had major and very risky surgery to help manage it, but if that hadn't been an option, he would have had to choose between pain meds and ending his own life.
It's easy to judge now that the consequences are widely known, but people generally didn't know about the risks of Oxycontin 20 years ago. Except Purdue. They definitely knew.
It's amazing how much the situation matches tobacco. A company (or small group of them) creates something wildly profitable and suppresses any data that could hurt their golden goose (and they have tons of money to keep the establishment from acting until they have extracted billions).
US banned Juul today as it was basically targeting kids.
Meh won't do much.
STLTH (non refillable but like a JUUL) + US 50mg pods (technically illegal) or the 50 mg made with nic salts (legal in Canada)
OR
Uwell refillable vapes
I expect people will find ways around. I think eliminating the biggest, most popular entry point will have significant effect. Now, whether that effect is net positive or whether it is negative as each high school ends up with a vape dealer mixing fluid in their garage I don't know.
Addiction is a powerful thing. I used to smoke and the association with cigarettes and alcohol is still something I find hard to avoid today. I watch a movie with someone smoking in it and I can sometimes taste it. The things your brain can do to you when you’re so used to something, addicted to something isn’t something many people that haven’t been addicted to anything can understand.
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