Fat pillars grind my gears

Theres some amazing tech to combat blind spots, and these aren't just found on high end vehicles either.

The problem with this kind of tech is that it has not filtered down to the masses yet - in terms of affordability.

Let's say Grandma Mamma scrapes your mirror in a parking lot and takes off:

$100K+ Mercedes, Chump change.
$40K Accord - that's going to sting..


Fantastic Technology - but its going to be a while before the mass population can enjoy the safety feature.
 
Wow! With all this high tech gadgetry in cars now how ever did your parents make it off the blood stained roads.
People make it seem like we just got roads and cars.

Then they turn around and complain about DISTRACTED drivers having too much crap to play with IN THE CAR.
 
What are these fat pillars that the OP is talking about?

I dont understand.


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Yep. Perfect car for Canadian winter driving.
 
The problem with this kind of tech is that it has not filtered down to the masses yet - in terms of affordability.

Let's say Grandma Mamma scrapes your mirror in a parking lot and takes off:

$100K+ Mercedes, Chump change.
$40K Accord - that's going to sting..


Fantastic Technology - but its going to be a while before the mass population can enjoy the safety feature.

For the record, the Accord and Mazda CX5 are available with this technology for under $30g and both of these vehicles are targeted at the "mass population".
 
Hey, that's my new pastime. When I get bored in traffic i try to find a Mercedes in the lane to the left of me, and I drive just behind him in my lane and keep turning his blind spot warning on and off. Really pisses them off when they figure out you're doing it on purpose. Have to do something to stave off boredom. And those little convex mirrors are nowhere near as effective as adjusting your mirrors properly, but I see Ford is building them in to a lot of mirrors now. Maybe they are worried about a lack of visibility lawsuit.
 
What is up with all these new car designs? Everything is about safety according to the manufacturers and yet vehicles nowadays have more blinds spots than Ray Charles.

I remember first noticing it when Murano came out. Right and left rear are pretty much all covered up and you can't see anything at all in those directions due to the the triangular design of the pillars.

Same with the size of the windows, they're getting smaller and smaller. Sitting in a Chrysler 300 feels like being in a submarine.

Visibility is a huge part of safety - what happened exactly?

Seems like manufactures are more preoccupied with fitting 20" rims on minivans than anything else as of late.

Roof crush standards that came into effect in Sept 2012 are the motivation behind the increasing sizes of vehicle A pillars The pedestrian safety standards that came into effect a few years back are the reason why hoodlines are so tall and vehicle front ends are so bluntly shaped.
 
Roof crush standards that came into effect in Sept 2012 are the motivation behind the increasing sizes of vehicle A pillars The pedestrian safety standards that came into effect a few years back are the reason why hoodlines are so tall and vehicle front ends are so bluntly shaped.

So why is Corvette, as an example, allowed to drive on our roads?
 
Yeah, with their ground clearance, and especially convertible.


Porsche has been doing promotions for years saying their cars are more then capable for winter driving.

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Corvette is made of fiberglass just so you know:p

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Roof crush standards that came into effect in Sept 2012 are the motivation behind the increasing sizes of vehicle A pillars The pedestrian safety standards that came into effect a few years back are the reason why hoodlines are so tall and vehicle front ends are so bluntly shaped.

The need to stiffen A-pillars to resist passenger compartment deformation in an offset-frontal impact has a pretty significant effect on the design of the A-pillars, too. The need to stiffen B-pillars for side impact affects those, too. And then there's all the side-curtain airbags to provide space for.

Compare, for example, frontal impact videos for the 1997-2003 Ford F150 (not designed for offset frontal impact): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i5EmJBaGeQ

Then there's the 2008 model in the same test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LkAzt_0qIg

Note that for the 2008 model, the windshield doesn't even break, and I betcha you can still open the driver's door after the crash. The two-generations-before model, probably not ... But doing this requires the A-pillar to be extremely stiff, and that means the underlying structure has to be thicker (or made of stronger materials - or both).

So why is Corvette, as an example, allowed to drive on our roads?

The pedestrian impact standards first showed up in Europe. To my knowledge, North America has not adopted anything similar, but given that a good many vehicles are designed for worldwide sale, it affects us here, because many of the design features that are required to pass the pedestrian-safety requirements have to be built into the fundamental structure of the vehicle. (The hood has to be designed to deform and absorb energy in a certain way, there has to be a certain minimum clearance below the hood to the "hard" parts of the engine, etc.) The requirement to have clearance below the hood to "hard" parts tends to raise the hood line, which raises the base of the windshield, which contributes to the high beltline and the feeling of sitting in a bunker.

Now, as for that Corvette. Many of the European regulations, and I think this one is included, apply to any "new vehicle design introduced into commerce". In other words, the manufacturers can still keep selling the old (non-complying) design until they come up with a new one, and the new one is required to comply. Corvette C6 was introduced in 2005 and it may have pre-dated the Euro pedestrian safety regs. The next one will have to comply, if they want to sell it over there ...

There are other ways of achieving the hood clearance requirement. I know there is some car out there (Jaguar?) that uses some sort of quick-acting actuator (like an airbag) to raise the hood if it detects a pedestrian hit. Expensive to do it that way ...

My own daily driver is a VW Jetta Mk5, which is well regarded for being a safe vehicle, but the base of the windshield is pretty high, and the B-pillar is pretty thick. Rear visibility is terrible. That doesn't have much to do with crash safety, but rather the desire to have a big trunk (which it does) and good aerodynamics (which it does). My dad has a Golf, which has pretty similar structure, but at least you can see out the back.

Sometimes it's just dumb design decisions. I've been in cars where the inside rear-view mirror is at my eye level ... creating an enormous blind spot looking forward. The current Subaru Impreza is one such example. Why not just move the rear-view mirror up a bit? No reason it couldn't be just below the top of the windshield.
 
It would be really nice if people learned how to properly set up their mirrors.
I don't know why so many people feel the need to use their side mirrors to know where the back of their car is.

What exactly do you consider 'properly set up'?

I have my mirrors positioned to see just the very edge of the back of my car so that I can reverse using the side mirrors and see what is beside me. For my blindspots I have blindspot mirrors and I shoulder check.

I am an ex-truck driver so I am most used to having mirrors that look parallel and beside the vehicle, not at some odd angle that I can't reverse with. I have little use for a rear view mirror -- almost useless as far as I am concerned.
 
the problem is with all this new technology is people are getting lazy and rely on the technology too much , what happens the 1 day once of those warning lights are burnt out or stop working is the person just going to change lanes because their car didnt warn them that theres a vehicle in their blind spot, then when the accident happens try to blame the the car manufacturer for the accident.
 
the problem is with all this new technology is people are getting lazy and rely on the technology too much , what happens the 1 day once of those warning lights are burnt out or stop working is the person just going to change lanes because their car didnt warn them that theres a vehicle in their blind spot, then when the accident happens try to blame the the car manufacturer for the accident.

I often wonder about this as well. "Sorry that I killed your kids, but my kid sensor was malfunctioning."
 
That's one of the first things I noticed about the Camaro.....TERRIBLE visibility! The hood is so high it feels like you're trying to look over a fence to see the road. Honestly would not buy that car for that single reason.

Yea, it was a nagging remark on pretty much every review on the car, but I've always been a Camaro fan :-/. When I got in it I told the dealer that checking the drivers blind spot in all honesty is impossible, his answer was just drive fast enough and you won't have to worry lol.
 
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