Emissions and the future of motorcycles

[Trials]

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The batteries cells are tiny, have you ever seen inside one of those big battery packs, it's solid with tiny cells all connected together.
Make them the size of a coke can and put them into tubes to make series connections and get the voltage you will need.

Nobody ever changed the batteries in a flashlight before?

"Places like Costco would need to have probably 800 batteries on site to meet demand. Not happening."
I bet they have that many cases of pop on hand right now.

 

[GreyGhost]

The batteries cells are tiny, have you ever seen inside one of those big battery packs, it's solid with tiny cells all connected together.
Make them the size of a coke can and put them into tubes to make series connections and get the voltage you will need.

Nobody ever changed the batteries in a flashlight before?

"Places like Costco would need to have probably 800 batteries on site to meet demand. Not happening."
I bet they have that many cases of pop on hand right now.

As cell diameter increase, packing factor decreases. Basically more air or cooling fluid between cells. Lower packing factor means lower power density. Some companies are working on flat cells in increase packing factor substantially from the cylinders currently used. Afaik, still not used by anyone in a commercially available vehicle. Not sure what the obstacles are causing them issues.

 

[Wingboy]

Great review by SRK.

 

[Brian P]

I really hope Damon Motorcycles becomes reality.

 

[backmarkerducati]

I don't think emissions will be the biggest issue.

Self driving will be a bigger problem first. Once self driving cars hit critical mass I expect they will restrict non-self driving to limited lanes and then all together on main roads and highways in the name of efficiency and safety. While it is technically possible there is not much of a point to self driving motorcycles.

As for charging cars or motorcycles, get it down (super chargers) to the time it takes to fill an ICE (or close enough) and problem solved. No need to condo charging etc. Just plug in at the "filling" station. Battery swap requires all the makers to play nice, give up on tech that makes their batteries better and will take too long unless the batteries are tiny.

 

[Mad Mike]

I don't think emissions will be the biggest issue.

Self driving will be a bigger problem first. Once self driving cars hit critical mass I expect they will restrict non-self driving to limited lanes and then all together on main roads and highways in the name of efficiency and safety. While it is technically possible there is not much of a point to self driving motorcycles.

As for charging cars or motorcycles, get it down (super chargers) to the time it takes to fill an ICE (or close enough) and problem solved. No need to condo charging etc. Just plug in at the "filling" station. Battery swap requires all the makers to play nice, give up on tech that makes their batteries better and will take too long unless the batteries are tiny.

Ultracapacitor has some interesting capabilities. They are already using them in applications where cost is not a big factor (race cars, trains, trams), but broad use in consumer level cars is not yet cost effective. Fast charging, don't need the same expensive cooling, better at recapturing regenerated energy, a lot less toxic.

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