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Soulcatcher668 said:
They also need all the stuff to make it street legal. Mirrors, tail section, indicators.

Here's hoping though.
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Yes, but that stuff gets added onto the base bike and people are free to replace them with tail tidies as they do with any modern bikes. That stuf doesn't change the basic design. And exhaust system that suddenly need to conform to a new Euro standard is a different story.
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Relax said:
Absolutely not a render, and this is their second bike. And as far as "transformer crap", it's some simple motors to raise and lower the bars and foot pegs. When they start playing around with the steering angle, then I'd be concerned. How many of us have gone in search of different bars and pegs to fine tune comfort?

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I think the transformer stuff will be good but still think it shouldn't be in gen 1. They have enough other issues to deal with (design, manufacture, regulatory compliance etc) to waste time on that. The videos I saw before of the motion looked non-linear (maybe controlled by simple motors but attached to linkages?). Think about how stiff control point attachments are in a normal bike and then try to make moving points that approach that stiffness. Not at all easy and then expensive to make (and I have no idea what happens with regulatory compliance).
 
Here's the KTM 790 vs its prototype. The exhaust is the main difference (well, I'll give you tail lights, but only because of the exhaust):

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If Damon is not in production why are they offering test ride sign up????
Cabin in the backwoods solar equipped or maybe and F150 lightining to charge bike, possibility. (technology doesnt
keep up to what i want now.):cry:
I watch some videos of forest rangers riding electric off road bikes for the quietness aspect and no carbon footprint, it has so man pluses
 
chingo said:
If Damon is not in production why are they offering test ride sign up????
Cabin in the backwoods solar equipped or maybe and F150 lightining to charge bike, possibility. (technology doesnt
keep up to what i want now.):cry:
I watch some videos of forest rangers riding electric off road bikes for the quietness aspect and no carbon footprint, it has so man pluses
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Last I heard damon was pouring the floor of their factory. Equipment required to build the bikes was more than a year out (which is good as the design wasnt fixed yet). If they deliver many bikes before 2025 I will be surprised.
 
chingo said:
If Damon is not in production why are they offering test ride sign up????
Cabin in the backwoods solar equipped or maybe and F150 lightining to charge bike, possibility. (technology doesnt
keep up to what i want now.):cry:
I watch some videos of forest rangers riding electric off road bikes for the quietness aspect and no carbon footprint, it has so man pluses
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Why are they offering test ride sign up?

To legitimize their activities, drive consumer interest and thus investor interest/$.

Much the same as failed MC companies taking deposits on bikes that are to be delivered imminently, yet the company goes belly up before delivering more than a handful.
 
Test ride sign up etc was/is a sign of being overly optimistic about how long it was going to take to build a fully operational vehicle. I suspect someone thought prototype version 1.0 was good enough to go into production, and it wasn't. Look carefully; that naked Damon prototype has a full redesign compared to the sport prototypes that they've had running for a year or two.

They've already had a price increase. I'm expecting real world performance figures to be a little tempered by reality. It's known that their production plant is under construction. If they build a small number of bikes next year, I'll be impressed. If they do it before going broke, more impressed. If they don't get kicked off before Triumph or Ducati or someone bigger, they're done.
 
I wonder. are we really cleaning our emissions up with electric, or just moving emissions from where all the cars reside? how are we producing our electricity? seems gas fired generating stations are increasing. I wonder if we are just helping the gas companies expansion of fracking?

jus thinking out loud.
 
Relax said:
Absolutely not a render, and this is their second bike. And as far as "transformer crap", it's some simple motors to raise and lower the bars and foot pegs. When they start playing around with the steering angle, then I'd be concerned. How many of us have gone in search of different bars and pegs to fine tune comfort?
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Wow… I really like the looks of that Hyperfighter…. Damn… curses….. now I want one. ;-)
 
boyoboy said:
I wonder. are we really cleaning our emissions up with electric, or just moving emissions from where all the cars reside? how are we producing our electricity? seems gas fired generating stations are increasing. I wonder if we are just helping the gas companies expansion of fracking?

jus thinking out loud.
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Bit of both. For many reasons emission control at a plant is easier. You dont have as many size/weight constraints, you are running at almost full load at all times, plant is normally away from a highly populated area, etc. You also saved some vehicle trips to move gas from tanks to station (probably inconsequential in overall numbers).
 
boyoboy said:
I wonder. are we really cleaning our emissions up with electric, or just moving emissions from where all the cars reside? how are we producing our electricity? seems gas fired generating stations are increasing. I wonder if we are just helping the gas companies expansion of fracking?

jus thinking out loud.
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Information on "where electricity comes from" is readily available. Scroll down a bit. CER – Provincial and Territorial Energy Profiles – Ontario

Key quote: "In 2019, about 92% of electricity in Ontario was produced from zero-carbon sources"

And then there's the efficiency of the vehicle. I don't have any information on electric motorcycles. But, a vehicle like a Nissan Leaf or Chevrolet Bolt or Hyundai Kona can be expected to use around 16 kWh per 100 km, and a comparable-size petrol vehicle would probably use 7-ish litres per 100 km. That 7 litres of petrol will lead to 16 kg of CO2 (yes, the CO2 weighs more than the fuel ... it's combined with oxygen from the air). From the same website linked to above, the CO2 intensity of electricity generation in Ontario is about 25 grams per kWh ...the 16 kWh that a compact EV uses leads to 0.4 kg of CO2 emissions.

Yes ... to drive 100 km ... 16 kg of CO2 emissions for the petrol vehicle, 0.4 kg for the EV. It's not even close.

This is with 8% of Ontario's electricity coming from CO2-emitting sources (mostly natural gas nowadays). Even if that were 100%, the EV would be emitting 5 kg of CO2 instead of 16 kg to drive 100 km. It's still not even close.

How come?

A good combined-cycle natural-gas-fired central power station has a thermal efficiency of at least 50% and nearer 60% for a good modern one, and if the utility does their jobs correctly, it will be running at close to that efficiency level almost all the time. That's way, way more efficient than a petrol engine that is at best 40% efficient (Prius) with most being less than that, and running at much poorer efficiency during most normal driving. And the EV has regenerative braking ... no can do with a combustion-engine vehicle unless it's a hybrid. And when stuck in traffic, the EV uses nothing, the combustion engine is idling and burning fuel.
 
woot said:
Enough range to get me to work (only a couple times due to current legality) and zero issues keeping up with highway speeds.

Not sure if I have the ambition make it pretty and legal. I did find an insurance broker who was interested.
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Nice job congrats, did you have a build thread / parts list?
 
mimico_polak said:
Nice job congrats, did you have a build thread / parts list?
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Not really, I took some pictures and videos with the intention of putting it all together. I made a bunch of posts on Electric Motorcycles on Facebook.

72V 40Ah salvaged/homemade LiFePo4 Battery
ANT BMS 400A Peak, 280A continuous
Fardriver ND72850 controller
QS 8KW 17" hub motor
 
GreyGhost said:
Hahahaha. First of all, I'm pretty sure that's a render. Secondly, have you seen the transformer crap they are wasting their effort on? They need to focus on a kickass first bike and add the transformer crap later. Lack of laser focus probably dooms them. They also insist on self-manufacture instead of partnering with someone experienced and competent like magna or mm. They are trying to become the tesla of bikes and odds are much higher that they are faraday future.
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Yes been following them for some time. My concern is they have yet to deliver any bikes to my knowledge and its been a while. I get the whole marketing and funding thing but it is a little suspect. Apparently orders are closed for 2023 and any new orders are for 2024. Have they produced any bikes destined for actual customers yet who knows. I guess time will tell. They are definitely aiming big with a who dares wins attitude.

The challenge right now for all these manufacturers is the battery weight and life. These bikes seem to all be around 480lb minimum to 700lbs so not exactly light.

From a Damon prospective also they don't intent to sell their bikes via a dealership network so getting potential clients exposed to the bikes may be limited.
 
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topendz said:
Have they produced any bikes destined for actual customers yet who knows.
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The answer to that is "no". We have not even seen a fully production-intent prototype that conforms to standards, complete with reflectors, rear fender, proper license plate mounting, etc. The naked prototype (essentially chassis/powertrain design 2.0) looks much closer than the sport prototypes which have been running around for a while. It's still not 100%.

I still think they're a year away give or take, if the money doesn't run out first. We know they're constructing a building. Then they need to freeze the production-intent design (and this may be close - but we still haven't seen it). Then they need to build tooling, and some sort of assembly line, and they need to get the bugs out of it. I know how long that takes for companies that have experience with this sort of thing. Granted, motorcycles are simpler than cars, but it's still a lot of work - and a lot of money.
 
CSC in the game too
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www.advrider.com

CSC's RX1E

Yep, an electric ADV. It's a hoot. A home run, in my opinion. The story is here. [IMG]
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californiascooterco.com

CSC Motorcycles Announces New RX1E Electric Motorcycle

Arriving early in 2023, the new RX1E follows the legacy of CSC’s other successful electric vehicles: the City Slicker runabout, the efficient Wiz errand-run
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Good commuter too....
electrek.co

CSC Monterey first ride: Retro electric scooter performance at an e-bike price

I’ve got a thing for vintage design, and the Honda Super Cub-inspired CSC Monterey fully scratches that itch for me. But while vintage design often goes hand in hand with a jump in price, this retro electric scooter costs less than many electric bicycles and offers twice the performance. I’ve...
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Soulcatcher668 said:
I know it will never look like this in production, but damn that's a good looking bike. Maybe a replacement for @Mango Rider.

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Just seeing this now, that does look nice. Damon has been in my peripherals for a while and this is more enticing than their flagship from a couple years back.
Replacement come 2030something maybe. Should it ever be produced, (maybe not mass) damn will it be pricey!

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woot said:
Enough range to get me to work (only a couple times due to current legality) and zero issues keeping up with highway speeds.

Not sure if I have the ambition make it pretty and legal. I did find an insurance broker who was interested.
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Old thread but I am curious if you ever found someone who would insure your electric conversion. I'm looking to do the same.
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