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simcoe19

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First, thanks in advance

i have had my bike a few yrs, last winter i took the battery out, but stabilizer in and even rode it some days of last winter, this yr i was a dumb *** and didn't do any of that. Bike wouldn't start a few weeks ago, i JUST bought a new battery yesterday, put it in my bike this morning and tried to start it. it wouldn't budge, just the ggggggggggg , ggggggggg sound. N light comes on same with the oil/gas light.

Now my bike is in my gagrage with NO heating and because of the car lay out, the garage door is wide up. could it be that the engine is just way to cold to turn over? or something underlining? i do have gas in the tank and just added a littler bit more.

2002 Kawi Ninja 250


thanks

Dave
 
Check your battery connections at both ends of each wire they need to be clean to allow the most current to flow.
You can also try putting it into first gear and roll backward slightly then drop the clutch. This will move the motor off the compression stroke enough that the starter can spin it over.
 
Everyone's opinion on this is different. I can't remember, but if the Ninja 250 is still a carbed bike, I suggest cleaning the carb in the spring before trying to start it.

I've left gas in a bike for a full year and was able to get it going without an issue so I would start problem solving by making sure the bike is getting fuel, check for spark, check the air filter.
 
Check the choke, you may have flooded it I don't know.
 
well it starts because the lights go on.. however it won't start u.. if that makes any sence.

I have put the battery back on charger. But i thinking it could just be VERRRRRRRRRY cold, i don't know.


Any other idea's?

again thanks for the help with my dumb question

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boooya said:
Does it crank over but doesn't start?
Or does it not even turn over?
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i just got in for a few min and tried to start it won't , lights work so i KNOW it is not the battery, i however did get the bike to ALMOST start.. you know that first second rumble, like grrrrr, after a few times of ggg, gggg, it started to rumble and die, it happened one other time. but yet again it still won't start...


Dave
 
homme de fer said:
Everyone's opinion on this is different. I can't remember, but if the Ninja 250 is still a carbed bike, I suggest cleaning the carb in the spring before trying to start it.

I've left gas in a bike for a full year and was able to get it going without an issue so I would start problem solving by making sure the bike is getting fuel, check for spark, check the air filter.
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That sound has nothing to do with Gas, that sound is due to:
a) a defective battery with no charge
b) cables not properly connected, meaning not tight enough (most likely the case)

Edit: after your last post it seems the engine is turning. So the problem would be gas, follow Boooya's advice

I thought the sound you were making was the one where the engine didn't turn
 
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thanks for all the help, much appreitated.

I need to now look into draining the gas

Dave



ZX600 said:
That sound has nothing to do with Gas, that sound is due to:
a) a defective battery with no charge
b) cables not properly connected, meaning not tight enough (most likely the case)

Edit: after your last post it seems the engine is turning. So the problem would be gas, follow Boooya's advice

I thought the sound you were making was the one where the engine didn't turn
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could it be that the engine is just way too cold to turn over?
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Yes it's true, the whole bike is just freezing cold, all the fluids and parts.
And the battery and starter are tiny.
Usually when you buy a battery it needs to be charged for 2-5 hours, so either they have to do that or you have to.
Anyway they don't work well in the cold (like me, too LoL)
Also the bike is really lean and this is worse the colder it is.
Just pushing your bike into a sheltered spot out of the wind, where the sun can shine on it for 10 minutes or whatever, can make a huge difference.
Hey spring is coming... (I can smell it in the air)
 
when i was younger i enjoyed the winter ( Jan baby ) hockey player, snowboarder.

But now i am almost 30 and i HATE!! winter... could aslo be because i spent 5 years working on a cruise ship during the winter break...


Would you take a good guess that it is that simple? i mean the garage door has been wide open since the cold weather started... when i moved back home ( just put a down payment on a place and i was renting , so to save money i went back home ) my parents Matrix and my civic won't fit, so the door was wide open......


Gryphon said:
Yes it's true, the whole bike is just freezing cold, all the fluids and parts.
And the battery and starter are tiny.
Usually when you buy a battery it needs to be charged for 2-5 hours, so either they have to do that or you have to.
Anyway they don't work well in the cold (like me, too LoL)
Also the bike is really lean and this is worse the colder it is.
Just pushing your bike into a sheltered spot out of the wind, where the sun can shine on it for 10 minutes or whatever, can make a huge difference.
Hey spring is coming... (I can smell it in the air)
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Is it actually turning over? I have no idea what you mean by "it goes ggggggggggggggggggggg". After you charged the battery, does it sound "normal" when trying to start (ie engine turning over), and does the turning over sound get slower and slower until eventually it doesn't turn over at all?

I'm tempted to think it's just cold, hasn't been started in awhile, and your battery isn't fully charged or connected properly. A fully charged battery in good working order should be able to crank the bike for a good 2 minutes (in spurts, never constantly crank that long) so if it's "dying" sooner than that, definitely look into battery issues.

I know a lot of people don't like it, but I use this on carb'd engines that are hard to start after sitting for 8 or 9 months:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow...ments/PRD~0382100P/Motomaster+Quick+Start.jsp

0382100_1


That's what I use to get my 1994 Indy 650 going in negative 20 degree temperatures after sitting for the season - again, some people say you shouldn't use it, but my opinion is that there's nothing wrong with it if you use it sparingly.
 
Before draining anything. Is your petcock switch turned to the off position perhaps?
 
make sure the gas tap is in prime, so you get gas to the carbs without the engine vacuum, boost the bike with civic, pos to pos, to save your bike battery, leave in bike, and apply full choke, if your bike doesn't start, it's a carb overhaul.....open drains on float bowl to check for gas in the carbs.
 
I hate to ask the stupid question but is the "kill switch" in the correct position?


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