Stop posting while driving.
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Driving Quiz For Riders
- Thread starter -Maverick-
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Stop posting while driving.
I always think about this when the media starts talking about pedestrian fatalities and that doctor that keeps saying the speed limits need to be dropped to reduce them. How about we just teach people not to walk in front of 3000+ lb objects that move at high speed? It's not hard to figure out. I grew up living beside a road with a limit of 80 kph that everyone drives 100-120 kph on. We played right off that road all the time, road bikes on it, etc from the age of 6 and up. Myself and none of my friends ever even had a close call because we understood that if we got in front of a car, we were probably going to die or at least be horribly injured.
Then we get people that move in on those roads and ***** and moan about the limit being too high and get it dropped because they think their kids are going to die, screwing over anyone that needs to commute down that road to work. You knew what the speed limit was before you moved in. If you didn't like it, why did you move there? Also, you have over a whole acre (or more in many cases out there) of property for the kids to play on, why are they playing on the road?
Sorry, rant over.
Isn't this common sense and common courtesy? This is true for ANY accident that any half intelligent person should know...
Agreed. I don't understand the hit and run mentality of some people but I'm sure it's got something to do with the following:
- drunk
- high
- no license
- no insurance
- fear and panic (although there's been instance of people running and then returning or turning themselves into the police afterwards. Still get charged with hit and run but maybe the judge will understand their panic set in and they didn't know how else to react.
Maybe I'm being naive but I think if you can explain to the cops/judge that the pedestrian ran out in the middle of the road (with witnesses ideally) then you have a less likely chance of getting charged. If it's at a pedestrian crossing/red light running then too bad so sad, you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
Highway Traffic Act section 140 applies:
Pedestrian crossover, duties of driver
140. (1) Subject to subsection (2), when a pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair crossing a roadway within a pedestrian crossover,
Where vehicle stopped at pedestrian crossover
(2) When a vehicle or street car is stopped at a pedestrian crossover, the driver of any other vehicle or street car overtaking the stopped vehicle or street car shall bring the vehicle or street car to a full stop before entering the crossover and shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair,
Passing moving vehicles within 30 metres of pedestrian crossover
(3) When a vehicle or street car is approaching a pedestrian crossover and is within 30 metres thereof, the driver of any other vehicle or street car approaching from the rear shall not allow the front extremity of his or her vehicle or streetcar to pass beyond the front extremity of the other vehicle or street car. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (3).
Duty of pedestrian or person in wheelchair
(4) No pedestrian or person in a wheelchair shall leave the curb or other place of safety at a pedestrian crossover and walk, run or move the wheelchair into the path of a vehicle or street car that is so close that it is impracticable for the driver of the vehicle or street car to yield the right of way. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (4).
Municipal by-laws
(5) No municipal by-law that purports to designate a pedestrian crossover on a highway on which the speed limit is in excess of 60 kilometres per hour is valid. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (5); 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 21 (1).
Riding in pedestrian crossover prohibited
(6) No person shall ride a bicycle across a roadway within a pedestrian crossover. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (6).
Offence
(7) Every person who contravenes subsection (1), (2) or (3) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $150 and not more than $500. 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 21 (2).
Pedestrian crossover, duties of driver
140. (1) Subject to subsection (2), when a pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair crossing a roadway within a pedestrian crossover,
(a) is upon the half of the roadway upon which a vehicle or street car is travelling; or
(b) is upon half of the roadway and is approaching the other half of the roadway on which a vehicle or street car is approaching so closely to the pedestrian crossover as to endanger him or her,
the driver of the vehicle or street car shall yield the right of way to the pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair by slowing down or stopping if necessary. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (1).
(b) is upon half of the roadway and is approaching the other half of the roadway on which a vehicle or street car is approaching so closely to the pedestrian crossover as to endanger him or her,
the driver of the vehicle or street car shall yield the right of way to the pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair by slowing down or stopping if necessary. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (1).
Where vehicle stopped at pedestrian crossover
(2) When a vehicle or street car is stopped at a pedestrian crossover, the driver of any other vehicle or street car overtaking the stopped vehicle or street car shall bring the vehicle or street car to a full stop before entering the crossover and shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian or a person in a wheelchair,
(a) who is within the crossover upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle or street car is stopped; or
(b) who is within the crossover and is approaching the half of the roadway from the other half of the roadway so closely to the vehicle or street car that he or she is in danger if the vehicle or street car were to proceed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (2).
(b) who is within the crossover and is approaching the half of the roadway from the other half of the roadway so closely to the vehicle or street car that he or she is in danger if the vehicle or street car were to proceed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (2).
Passing moving vehicles within 30 metres of pedestrian crossover
(3) When a vehicle or street car is approaching a pedestrian crossover and is within 30 metres thereof, the driver of any other vehicle or street car approaching from the rear shall not allow the front extremity of his or her vehicle or streetcar to pass beyond the front extremity of the other vehicle or street car. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (3).
Duty of pedestrian or person in wheelchair
(4) No pedestrian or person in a wheelchair shall leave the curb or other place of safety at a pedestrian crossover and walk, run or move the wheelchair into the path of a vehicle or street car that is so close that it is impracticable for the driver of the vehicle or street car to yield the right of way. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (4).
Municipal by-laws
(5) No municipal by-law that purports to designate a pedestrian crossover on a highway on which the speed limit is in excess of 60 kilometres per hour is valid. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (5); 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 21 (1).
Riding in pedestrian crossover prohibited
(6) No person shall ride a bicycle across a roadway within a pedestrian crossover. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 140 (6).
Offence
(7) Every person who contravenes subsection (1), (2) or (3) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $150 and not more than $500. 2005, c. 26, Sched. A, s. 21 (2).
Are you implying that one-handed wheelies are impossible?
OMGSelenaGomez
Well-known member
Depends if there's a cop watching.
油井緋色;1917079 said:
When jaywalking, there is no pedestrian 'way' for them to have the right of. Consider carriageway vs. walkway. For a driver to be found at fault for hitting a jaywalker, they'd have to demonstrate intent on the part of the driver. Like he was chasing him down until he ran him over in the middle of the street. You can imagine, that's not how jaywalkers are usually killed.
Nobody has the right of way unless they "lawfully entered the roadway".
Just like anyone else using the roadway, however, that simple fact doesn't allow motorists to mow them down. Every motorist has to take reasonable steps to avoid a collision (that concept of the reasonable driver is repeated throughout the HTA).
That's not the same, however, as them having the right of way.
Just like anyone else using the roadway, however, that simple fact doesn't allow motorists to mow them down. Every motorist has to take reasonable steps to avoid a collision (that concept of the reasonable driver is repeated throughout the HTA).
That's not the same, however, as them having the right of way.
油井緋色;1917079 said:
Then you haven't been listening to the news, because Toronto Police have been talking about a pedestrian infraction blitz.
Blitz's are funny to me. It's like the police are saying, "Today we're going to do our job but we're going to warn you first."
I feel the same way about the OPP 400-Series highway blitzes, but they still always manage to catch a butt-load of morons.
A lot of the people caught end up getting off due to incomplete notes, or other disclosure related things. Only inexperienced people, those who took plea deals, or people who are guilty as sin (and the cop has proof) get convicted. My (trumped up) ticket was thrown out due to the officer not making proper notes and having no independent recollection.
-Maverick-
Well-known member
The rider gestured to the man that he had the right-of-way. The man proceeded with his dog into the intersection. Chick on cell phone bolts into the intersection (not even her turn to go) at a bizarre rate of speed and plows the man over.
She exited the car screaming "I'm sorry, I'm sorry..." (with cell phone still in hand).
She was charged.
She never stopped till 200 feet down the road (never hit her brakes before, during, or after man was over hood, roof, rear of car).
I feel bad for the rider in that he did everything correct and according to the drivers handbook and the HTA (pedestrian always has the right-of-way) but couldn't help think if the rider never gestured to the man that he had the right-of-way the cell chick wouldn't have had the opportunity to hit the man.
Not really into litigation but I'm a witness for this man. Chick says "she never saw him till his face smacked her windshield." I hope she never drives again and I hope this man gets every penny and more that he has coming to him as he's very badly hurt. I've seen guys on bikes with full armor killed at a lesser speeds than this man took. He's elderly too, and now full of metal and pins. But thankfully (to my surprise) he's not dead.
Second witness is a driving instructor.
Third witness is an off-duty cop.
This woman won't stand a chance in court.
Driving away from that I couldn't help but think cell phone laws need to be changed to be stricter than a fine. Obviously people aren't getting the message as I see it every day and am sure all of you do too. There should be something to the extent of "using cellular device while driving causing injury or death." And there should be jail time added to that charge. This woman should be sitting in a jail cell and not out driving again.
Thank you for all your replies.
She exited the car screaming "I'm sorry, I'm sorry..." (with cell phone still in hand).
She was charged.
She never stopped till 200 feet down the road (never hit her brakes before, during, or after man was over hood, roof, rear of car).
I feel bad for the rider in that he did everything correct and according to the drivers handbook and the HTA (pedestrian always has the right-of-way) but couldn't help think if the rider never gestured to the man that he had the right-of-way the cell chick wouldn't have had the opportunity to hit the man.
Not really into litigation but I'm a witness for this man. Chick says "she never saw him till his face smacked her windshield." I hope she never drives again and I hope this man gets every penny and more that he has coming to him as he's very badly hurt. I've seen guys on bikes with full armor killed at a lesser speeds than this man took. He's elderly too, and now full of metal and pins. But thankfully (to my surprise) he's not dead.
Second witness is a driving instructor.
Third witness is an off-duty cop.
This woman won't stand a chance in court.
Driving away from that I couldn't help but think cell phone laws need to be changed to be stricter than a fine. Obviously people aren't getting the message as I see it every day and am sure all of you do too. There should be something to the extent of "using cellular device while driving causing injury or death." And there should be jail time added to that charge. This woman should be sitting in a jail cell and not out driving again.
Thank you for all your replies.
The odds are good that she'll have a lawyer. In order to avoid a lengthy trial The Crown will likely work a deal. She won't be punished as severely as her distracted driving warrants. Take this from someone who was mowed down by an unlicensed and uninsured motorist, in front of a patio bar full of witnesses.
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