Doug Ford - has your opinion changed?

[GreyGhost]

Ontario net debt up to $400 Billion

Provincial deficit ~39 Billion. Federal deficit ~350 Billion. Ontario is ~39% of the population of Canada. That is $12,000 in debt for each ontario resident this year without factoring municipal, business or personal debt. Crikey.

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EDIT:
US Deficit is ~4 Trillion this year. Wow. They were at ~23 Trillion debt, so about a 17% bump. Canada is expected to have a ~45% bump in our national debt.

 

[Evoex]

 

[J_F]

he just went up again in my opinion
what a great answer

 

[GreyGhost]

he just went up again in my opinion
what a great answer

He's doing a good job for Ontario and a good job setting himself up for a National run in the future. If he were to endorse O'toole and O'toole followed the con trend of blowing himself up, that stink would rub off on Doug.

 

[Green Meenie]

Why should any Provincial leader campaign or even endorse a Federal Leader of the same party affiliation? Just do your own job. Look after your own jurisdiction. That's what Dougie is doing. He's prepared to work with whoever is at the federal helm. Good on him. He's working for Ontario and that's his job!

 

[Mad Mike]

He's doing a good job for Ontario and a good job setting himself up for a National run in the future. If he were to endorse O'toole and O'toole followed the con trend of blowing himself up, that stink would rub off on Doug.

I think you are right. The true test of leadership is agility and and resilience, he's showing that now... but were in the early stages of a long battle to getting back to normal. Ford has made it clear he is laser focused on Ontario and that a federal campaign would take too many cycles.

He's proving to be smarter than I thought, he's on a roll in Ontario, hitching up to O'Tools bandwagon has a lot of risk - risk of sullying a good working relationship with the federal Libs, risk of O'Toole failing -- unnecessary risks for Ford at this time.

 

[J_F]

feuding with the feds is also never a good idea

McGuinty/Wynne were of course awful
but Harper had no incentive to make it easier for them
and he loved to stick it to Ontario during that era

 

[Evoex]

feuding with the feds is also never a good idea

McGuinty/Wynne were of course awful
but Harper had no incentive to make it easier for them
and he loved to stick it to Ontario during that era

G20 LOL

 

[crankcall]

you have to wonder how many millions have been ****** up against a wall this month with the provincial AD's saying we are talking to doctors, medical professionals, and logistics companies to make the return to school as safe as possible VS. the teachers associations (SOOoo careful to not call themselves unions) financing Ad's saying the province has dropped the ball again and we need smaller class sizes !!

The Dougler had an exception answer last week in an interview, he said I'll consider all input from Medical professionals, the Ministers of health and doctors, and less input from the teachers union.

 

[GreyGhost]

you have to wonder how many millions have been ****** up against a wall this month with the provincial AD's saying we are talking to doctors, medical professionals, and logistics companies to make the return to school as safe as possible VS. the teachers associations (SOOoo careful to not call themselves unions) financing Ad's saying the province has dropped the ball again and we need smaller class sizes !!

The Dougler had an exception answer last week in an interview, he said I'll consider all input from Medical professionals, the Ministers of health and doctors, and less input from the teachers union.

Now the teachers union has called the nurses union and told them to ***** and moan about the plan. Public sector unions, we all get paid more if we work together to extort the government.

 

[crankcall]

Now the teachers union has called the nurses union and told them to ***** and moan about the plan. Public sector unions, we all get paid more if we work together to extort the government.

Wife and I talked about this in the AM, shes in a grey zone, in the union as an RN, but works in managment sort of. Her opinion is less than favorable about the "we stick together and we get MORE!!" , but she is surrounded by those that like the ransom ware. However they cant strike....
If you take nurses, teachers, municipal workers, auto workers, organized factories, tradesman , there are a lot in the 'brotherhood'

 

[GreyGhost]

Wife and I talked about this in the AM, shes in a grey zone, in the union as an RN, but works in managment sort of. Her opinion is less than favorable about the "we stick together and we get MORE!!" , but she is surrounded by those that like the ransom ware. However they cant strike....
If you take nurses, teachers, municipal workers, auto workers, organized factories, tradesman , there are a lot in the 'brotherhood'

Just to be clear, I'm not nurse bashing. Many of them have been in real danger of infection with little additional compensation. Caring for active Covid patients is much higher risk than the potential of an infected child (possible but a very low percentage) passing it to a teacher (possible but not a certainty). That is partly why I find it so entertaining that the teachers union is screaming about the sky falling after being paid full salary during the whole time while doing almost no work while for the most part, nurses have just been putting their heads down, dealing with all vacations being cancelled and getting the job done.

 

[Mad Mike]

Now the teachers union has called the nurses union and told them to ***** and moan about the plan. Public sector unions, we all get paid more if we work together to extort the government.

I think the Dougster is giving them enough rope to hang themselves. 'We're all in this together' is a pretty strong theme, it resonates well with a bit percentage of the public. The teachers unions are falling into a trap. As they return from their 6 month paid holiday, I hope they are wise enough to pull their weight as kids return. If they continue use the pandemic for their own enrichment, I imagine the public will turn a blind eye if the first part of austerity is a pound of their flesh.

 

[Mad Mike]

Wife and I talked about this in the AM, shes in a grey zone, in the union as an RN, but works in managment sort of. Her opinion is less than favorable about the "we stick together and we get MORE!!" , but she is surrounded by those that like the ransom ware. However they cant strike....
If you take nurses, teachers, municipal workers, auto workers, organized factories, tradesman , there are a lot in the 'brotherhood'

Except the PSUs take their hostages without risk. Autoworkers are free to shoot their own feet off and have done to an end. PSUs shoot off the public's feet, repeatedly.

 

[Mad Mike]

Just to be clear, I'm not nurse bashing. Many of them have been in real danger of infection with little additional compensation. Caring for active Covid patients is much higher risk than the potential of an infected child (possible but a very low percentage) passing it to a teacher (possible but not a certainty). That is partly why I find it so entertaining that the teachers union is screaming about the sky falling after being paid full salary during the whole time while doing almost no work while for the most part, nurses have just been putting their heads down, dealing with all vacations being cancelled and getting the job done.

I take my hat off to nurses, Bravo, Thank You.

I see their sacrifice. My daughter is 6 months from being one, even nursing students are chipping in, and they are not paid. My daughter's U of T nursing student cohorts provide in-home daycare for single parent nurses and doctors so they are free to hit the front line -- and they do it ungrudging and for free.

 

[crankcall]

In fairness to everybody else dealing with exposure to covid, nurses in a hospital situation have quite possibly the SAFEST job. They have all the PPE they need (despite outcry of shortages) , the place is cleaned by people trained to clean everything, and when they get a patient they know if its covid or a cough. Everyone in and out is screened, its a pretty safe environment.

That said, the teachers 4 unions met with Ford gov't yesterday, he gave them nothing, just a meeting. There has been "secret" talk of a safety walkout and strike. I'm betting Douglers mindset is go ahead, he remembers when somebody told then Pres. Reagan if your fire ALL the air traffic controllers , planes will crash into each other. Most remember how that worked out. Go Douggie.

 

[Evoex]

In fairness to everybody else dealing with exposure to covid, nurses in a hospital situation have quite possibly the SAFEST job. They have all the PPE they need (despite outcry of shortages) , the place is cleaned by people trained to clean everything, and when they get a patient they know if its covid or a cough. Everyone in and out is screened, its a pretty safe environment.

That said, the teachers 4 unions met with Ford gov't yesterday, he gave them nothing, just a meeting. There has been "secret" talk of a safety walkout and strike. I'm betting Douglers mindset is go ahead, he remembers when somebody told then Pres. Reagan if your fire ALL the air traffic controllers , planes will crash into each other. Most remember how that worked out. Go Douggie.

Nurses maybe, there are plenty of other staff there that are not. My wife ran the ventilators and was putting her well gloved hands in peoples throats. Neither of us felt particularly 'safe'.

Its easy to gloss over the actual procedures for maintaining and removing gear. One of your colleague or you makes a mistake and all that work/ppe is potentially for naught.

 

[crankcall]

Nurses maybe, there are plenty of other staff there that are not. My wife ran the ventilators and was putting her well gloved hands in peoples throats. Neither of us felt particularly 'safe'.

Its easy to gloss over the actual procedures for maintaining and removing gear. One of your colleague or you makes a mistake and all that work/ppe is potentially for naught.

I cant dispute that, and even with thousands spent on 'training' , lots are just too lazy to grab the face mask by the ear straps to take off. Human nature.

 

[GreyGhost]

Anyone else getting annoyed by whiney Patrick Brown? He never does anything except whining that Douggie isn't doing enough. Now he is complaining about Banquet halls and wants the province to restrict them. Douggie has said many many times that municipalities are free to implement measures as they see fit and PB has never taken the opportunity to do anything other than whine about the province. If PB is really concerned, lock them down in Brampton. As far as I understand it, He has the authority but does not have the stones. Very glad PB is not the Premier.

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[Green Meenie]

I still can't figure out how the hell PB ever ended up as mayor of Brampton in the first place. Wasn't he always a Barrie boy? Did he just go down the list of Ontario towns starting with B after he cried on TV and quit his Provincial run when his little scandal was revealed?
You're right! I would not have wanted him as Premier.