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[awyala]

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You quoted "half". I did not use the word half. Don't ninja-edit your nonsense. To quote Wiki:

You really haven't been following much of Turkish politics for the past 15 years have you? You think 1923's capitulated agreements are still true today? Do you even think it is the same NATO centric state it was even 15 years ago?

Look up the AKP and let me know how "most of the country is secular". Investigate the "democracy" you quoted and how the military controlled it until recently. Then get back to this thread on what Turkey "mostly" is.

I chose to paraphrase your point but rather than "mostly" I used "half". Your point about Turkey "mostly" flying straight is wrong on 2 counts: 1) your ratio, and 2) as you have avoided, what do you propose the other "non-mostlies" do / believe / condone? And how would you define those which you don't define as "mostly"?

And again to stress, the term "mostly" is incorrect. The ratio of people in Turkey who are secular is closer to 50% and deminishing. Look into it before you attempt to stereotype with little to no knowledge of a subject.

 

[invictus43]

You really haven't been following much of Turkish politics for the past 15 years have you? You think 1923's capitulated agreements are still true today? Do you even think it is the same NATO centric state it was even 15 years ago?

Look up the AKP and let me know how "most of the country is secular". Investigate the "democracy" you quoted and how the military controlled it until recently. Then get back to this thread on what Turkey "mostly" is.

I chose to paraphrase your point but rather than "mostly" I used "half". Your point about Turkey "mostly" flying straight is wrong on 2 counts: 1) your ratio, and 2) as you have avoided, what do you propose the other "non-mostlies" do / believe / condone? And how would you define those which you don't define as "mostly"?

And again to stress, the term "mostly" is incorrect. The ratio of people in Turkey who are secular is closer to 50% and deminishing. Look into it before you attempt to stereotype with little to no knowledge of a subject.

Once again, to quote Wiki:

In the 2007 general elections, the AKP received 46.6% of the votes and could defend its majority in parliament.[SUP][55][/SUP] Although the ministers do not have to be members of the parliament, ministers with parliament membership are common in Turkish politics. In 2007, a series of events regarding state secularism and the role of the judiciary in the legislature occurred. These included the controversial presidential election of Abdullah Gül, who in the past had been involved with Islamist parties;[SUP][56][/SUP] and the government's proposal to lift the headscarf ban in universities, which was annulled by the Constitutional Court, leading to a fine and a near ban of the ruling party.[SUP][57][/SUP]

Turkey is a secular country. They have a constitution and it has intervened to ensure this. There are obviously factions within Turkey and it has issues relating to Islamism. However, I stand by my statements. The government is secular. Your opinion on the "people" is separate from that statement. Nice try though.

 

[awyala]

Once again, to quote Wiki:



Turkey is a secular country. They have a constitution and it has intervened to ensure this. There are obviously factions within Turkey and it has issues relating to Islamism. However, I stand by my statements. The government is secular. Your opinion on the "people" is separate from that statement. Nice try though.

To quote you directly:
"Easy..I was being very nice and pointing out that (1)Turkey is a mostly secular, (2)fairly moderate country, it was not a geography lesson. I agree the belief that you are averse to is not correct but I wanted to point out that (3)Turkey is mostly not that way."

1) You didn't say Turkish politics, or government. You said Turkey. Turkey is NOT mostly secular. Have you been to Turkey? Do you know Turks of both camps? Wiki isn't serving you well here.

2) What does "fairly moderate" mean coming from someone like you with only Wiki based knowledge of Turkish people and culture?

3) What way is Turkey "mostly not"...meaning of course a portion of the country "is that way". Do you mean a portion of the people "are that way", or a segment of the government "is that way", or perhaps a few elements in the constitution are "that way"?


Also you need to be able to distinguish between a democracy and a republic. Turkey prior to the AKP was a defacto military ruled republic, NOT a democracy. You will also note there is not one single government democracy in this world. All "democracies" are actually forms of republics, whether parliamentary, presidential, theocratic, militiristic and so on.

Your generalizations are far too simplistic to be worth while on this subject.

And once again I ask you to clarify what Turkey is "mostly not"....using your terms here. Don't try to worm your way out of it.

Let me assist you on this. You were responding to this quote:

"Thanks for the geography lesson...
One of my closest friends is Turkish, and my family comes from their neighbouring countries Greece.

Maybe coulture was the wrong word to use. I don't want to point out one religion because I know that not all from that religion are the same or practice the same."

So you responded by saying that Turkey is mostly secular and therefore mostly "not that way", meaning the way the other poster was "averse to".

So are you suggesting the non-seculars are "that way"? The way the other poster is "averse to"? We can all relax cause Turkey is "mostly secular" so this "culture of abuse" (from the non-seculars I presume) is at a low ratio?

Not only that but as I say, your ratio is wrong. So should we worry that Turkey is indeed, to a large degree "that way"?

Rafiki does a better job explaining himself and saving a potential gaff without your ignorant help. Rafiki commented on culture. He didn't label Turkey as entirely of an abusive culture. Does this culture exist in pockets? Yes! Is it indicative of non-seculars? No! Is it indicative of Turks? No! Rafiki later goes on to clarify that he mistaken used culture and isn't implying all Muslims are abusive toward women like that. YOU on the other hand ignorantly chime in and assure him all is well in Turkey because "they are mostly secular".

Please attempt to explain yourself. At least try to match Rafiki's effort.

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