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THIS is such a good story, I had to copy and paste it here for y'all. I came across a lawyer, Tom Renz, who actually read Trump's DOGE Executive Order and, expecting some illegal power grab, found it to be airtight. Turns out Trump and Musk didn't create anything. Obama did. Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014. It was meant as a bureaucratic patch job to fix the Obamacare website meltdown. Fast forward to 2025. Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service). Keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, a zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not the agency they're embedded in. But wait, there's more! Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35, which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body, DOGE now has full access to all federal data systems. Yes, that’s right. All of them. His executive order is written to block legal challenges. Includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. Orders every agency to comply. Refusal means they violate presidential authority. Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats trying to file legal challenges run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks. Obama literally built the perfect Administrative (read: Deep State) IT backdoor. Trump and Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. The Administrative State can't stop it without rewriting multiple federal laws. They legally outplayed the system and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Obama created DOGE.
 
ToSlow said:
THIS is such a good story, I had to copy and paste it here for y'all. I came across a lawyer, Tom Renz, who actually read Trump's DOGE Executive Order and, expecting some illegal power grab, found it to be airtight. Turns out Trump and Musk didn't create anything. Obama did. Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014. It was meant as a bureaucratic patch job to fix the Obamacare website meltdown. Fast forward to 2025. Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service). Keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, a zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not the agency they're embedded in. But wait, there's more! Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35, which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body, DOGE now has full access to all federal data systems. Yes, that’s right. All of them. His executive order is written to block legal challenges. Includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. Orders every agency to comply. Refusal means they violate presidential authority. Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats trying to file legal challenges run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks. Obama literally built the perfect Administrative (read: Deep State) IT backdoor. Trump and Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. The Administrative State can't stop it without rewriting multiple federal laws. They legally outplayed the system and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Obama created DOGE.
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The problem with governments is that they work with systems. Judgement doesn't count. Weasels study the systems and find the loopholes and exploit them. Legal isn't the same as ethical so unethical practices evolve.

For example, to qualify for welfare one has to tick the right boxes. IIRC a person qualifies for legal aid if they make less than $40,000 a year. If they are a consumer of legal services (Crook) they get a job that pays $39,000. They turn down a raise of a dollar an hour because the extra would push them into the pay-your-own-way club with a five-figure entry fee.

Some single mothers calculate the income sweet spot for how many kids to have. The live-in boyfriend isn't mentioned. She's bulletproof because we can't hurt her without hurting innocent children.

Those are low level scams with anti-social people using socialism to pay their way.

The upper level uses similar principles but with substantially higher numeric values. Complain all you want; it isn't going to change.
 
Oh yay, another political thread.

Can we get a "what oil do you use" or wave thread or something, please? Anything other than endless politics?
 
FullMotoJacket said:
It's stupid easy. Of the first 15 threads in this forum ATM there's 4 that I don't bother to click on because they don't interest me. It's not that hard to do.
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Amen
 
PrivatePilot said:
Oh yay, another political thread.

Can we get a "what oil do you use" or wave thread or something, please? Anything other than endless politics?
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This is rather amusing. Aren't you interjecting politics into non related threads?? Lol.
 
Funny thing, as most people if not all on the forum think I’m an a whole

All click on my threads 😂
 
PrivatePilot said:
Oh yay, another political thread.

Can we get a "what oil do you use" or wave thread or something, please? Anything other than endless politics?
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I waved at my neighbour as we passed each other while blowing snow from our driveways today. Not sure what the snowblower protocal is but thought I'd play it safe! He didn't wave back ... he must have a Harley snowblower :unsure:
 
ToSlow said:
Funny thing, as most people if not all on the forum think I’m an a whole
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Maybe it's because we've met, but I don't think you're an a whole. I believe you have a different view on some things than I do.

An a whole is someone that I wouldn't ride or have a beer with. I ride ( alot ) with guys who have the exact same views as you. Whenever politics comes up around the campfire points are stated, minds are sometimes enlightened ( mine included) but rarely changed and then we move on. It doesn't get heated.

That said I do think there are some here to whom the monicker fits but it's not for their politics.
 
Evoex said:
Aren't you interjecting politics into non related threads??
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I know what you're referring to, but at least when it comes up in the EV thread it's on topic to the thread in question, a thread that is 532 pages long and is probably 98% non political one might add, short of the last few months where you-know-who car guy has gone full potato, something that is still relevant to the thread at hand as a whole as, you know, he runs an EV company.

If there's a motorcycle sales numbers thread (for example) and someone mentions the tariff situation that could impact motorcycle sales, it's organic to the thread at least. That's my point.
 
PrivatePilot said:
I know what you're referring to, but at least when it comes up in the EV thread it's on topic to the thread in question, a thread that is 532 pages long and is probably 98% non political one might add, short of the last few months where you-know-who car guy has gone full potato, something that is still relevant to the thread at hand as a whole as, you know, he runs an EV company.

If there's a motorcycle sales numbers thread (for example) and someone mentions the tariff situation that could impact motorcycle sales, it's organic to the thread at least. That's my point.
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Still amusing!

https://imgur.com/cUuzun0

😁
 
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