Dofos latest sucking up to developers.

I guess when you still have your 40 year old kids living with you it all makes sense ?
Now that triplex is approved by right, I suspect far fewer single family cubes. Return on investment is way better if you include multiple units in your cube. Some rich neighbourhoods will still build cubes but in the burbs, I think they will dry up.
 
Here is a prime example of why Toronto/TCHC should not be in the affordable housing business:


First, many TCHC buildings are literally falling apart due to lack of basic maintenance. Some are worse, some are better.
Second, tear this down and build new housing here BEFORE parking lots etc., people were booted out of this condemned mess in June 2022!

Looking for new solutions to a problem (parking lots..), without correcting the old ones first is foolish.
 
Not sure how I feel about these relatively new laws. I’ve watched an old neighbourhood that was single family homes with a pretty decent sense of community slowly be taken over by each house up for sale being converted to multiple units. While the additional housing is a good thing overall the new residents were all mostly renting, the sense of community changed and at a certain point the remaining single family homeowners got tired of the noise and other issues and sold up and moved. It was kind of like a tumour growing.
 
Here is a prime example of why Toronto/TCHC should not be in the affordable housing business:


First, many TCHC buildings are literally falling apart due to lack of basic maintenance. Some are worse, some are better.
Second, tear this down and build new housing here BEFORE parking lots etc., people were booted out of this condemned mess in June 2022!

Looking for new solutions to a problem (parking lots..), without correcting the old ones first is foolish.
Gotta have some place for the people that live in them now to hang their hats. Build new stuff, let them move in and then tear down the old stuff.
 
Here is a prime example of why Toronto/TCHC should not be in the affordable housing business:


First, many TCHC buildings are literally falling apart due to lack of basic maintenance. Some are worse, some are better.
Second, tear this down and build new housing here BEFORE parking lots etc., people were booted out of this condemned mess in June 2022!

Looking for new solutions to a problem (parking lots..), without correcting the old ones first is foolish.
Public community housing is a complete crapshow anywhere. Barrie/Simcoe are proudly moving forward with an "affordable" condo building that costs over $1M per unit to build plus the land. They can buy condos in Barrie now for ~$500K. Double the units, no waiting, no maintenance to take care of, etc if they build a distributed housing pool. That also avoids stigma as over time, most buildings will have some units in the pool.
 
Not sure how I feel about these relatively new laws. I’ve watched an old neighbourhood that was single family homes with a pretty decent sense of community slowly be taken over by each house up for sale being converted to multiple units. While the additional housing is a good thing overall the new residents were all mostly renting, the sense of community changed and at a certain point the remaining single family homeowners got tired of the noise and other issues and sold up and moved. It was kind of like a tumour growing.
Rooming houses in the downtown core are nothing new. it's just spreading out now.
 
Not sure how I feel about these relatively new laws. I’ve watched an old neighbourhood that was single family homes with a pretty decent sense of community slowly be taken over by each house up for sale being converted to multiple units. While the additional housing is a good thing overall the new residents were all mostly renting, the sense of community changed and at a certain point the remaining single family homeowners got tired of the noise and other issues and sold up and moved. It was kind of like a tumour growing.
Same thing happens everywhere. The owners that have been there always lose identity over time. Where there was once grandmas rocking on every front porch, there are now families that play in their backyards and never interact with the community. Some subdivisions are bought almost exclusively by foreign students. Some are bought almost exclusively by races congregating together (and statistically the original owners were all white). Where there were large lots with wartime houses, every sale goes to someone with disposable income an order of magnitude higher than the existing residents. Change happens and is inevitable. You don't have to like it. You can do like Jampy did and try to buy enough land around your house so you care less about what happens outside of that boundary.
 
Rooming houses in the downtown core are nothing new. it's just spreading out now.

Yeah it’s the spreading that’s the issue. Starter family homes are going to move further and further away.

One of the issues that I saw was that prior to the tipping point that old neighbourhood was pretty clean. Homeowner pride etc. Some renters just don’t have that and things start to deteriorate generally. So little by little pleasant neighbourhoods die.

There’s something nice about living in a pleasant neighbourhood. It’s a lot more than just having a place to crash.
 
Same thing happens everywhere. The owners that have been there always lose identity over time. Where there was once grandmas rocking on every front porch, there are now families that play in their backyards and never interact with the community. Some subdivisions are bought almost exclusively by foreign students. Some are bought almost exclusively by races congregating together (and statistically the original owners were all white). Where there were large lots with wartime houses, every sale goes to someone with disposable income an order of magnitude higher than the existing residents. Change happens and is inevitable. You don't have to like it. You can do like Jampy did and try to buy enough land around your house so you care less about what happens outside of that boundary.

The age changes are fine. A young family seems to have just as much pride in home ownership/renting as an old family. Multiple small units aren’t that family friendly though unless you like sardines. A healthy mix is also fine but when there’s a change like I described it’s pretty hard to go back.
 
Yeah it’s the spreading that’s the issue. Starter family homes are going to move further and further away.

One of the issues that I saw was that prior to the tipping point that old neighbourhood was pretty clean. Homeowner pride etc. Some renters just don’t have that and things start to deteriorate generally. So little by little pleasant neighbourhoods die.

There’s something nice about living in a pleasant neighbourhood. It’s a lot more than just having a place to crash.
If you want to protect the neighbourhood, you can go the HOA route. That is how much of the USA functions. I will never voluntarily live in one of those crapholes. So many busybodies with nothing better to do than enforce an endless list of rules.
 
If you want to protect the neighbourhood, you can go the HOA route. That is how much of the USA functions. I will never voluntarily live in one of those crapholes. So many busybodies with nothing better to do than enforce an endless list of rules.

That just reminds me of the X files episode with the pink flamingos.
 
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The age changes are fine. A young family seems to have just as much pride in home ownership/renting as an old family. Multiple small units aren’t that family friendly though unless you like sardines. A healthy mix is also fine but when there’s a change like I described it’s pretty hard to go back.
What young family can afford a sfh home in a nice neighbourhood? I'd rather have a 1000 sq ft walkup in a nice neighbourhood than an apartment style dwelling any day of the week. Commuting from a sfh in peterboro may cost the same as the walkup in newmarket but you never see your kids.
 
What young family can afford a sfh home in a nice neighbourhood? I'd rather have a 1000 sq ft walkup in a nice neighbourhood than an apartment style dwelling any day of the week. Commuting from a sfh in peterboro may cost the same as the walkup in newmarket but you never see your kids.

We had a few near us. Lovely people but I think they had parental help.
 
We had a few near us. Lovely people but I think they had parental help.
One of the potential paths for this is something like your house. Not a bad house but it has a few issues that are expensive to deal with. Rebuild as a triplex with you living on the ground floor with no stairs. You can easily age in place. Rent out the other two units to cover the rebuild costs and hopefully kick out some income as well. You are in a better dwelling for later in life, you have income, two other families have decent places to live (without crazy condo fees to cover elevators and new carpet every five years) and when it comes time to sell the property is worth far more than the sfh next door.

Maybe that's an opportunity for douggie. Allow a fourplex as long as one of the units is owner-occupied. The owner will try hard to keep their neighbourhood from going to crap.
 
I'm ok with that. Too many people get all butthurt about what others do with their land while also freaking out if someone impedes them from doing whatever they want.

Until you're the one that will have no sun in your yard, or have have a third floor balcony the minimum 5 feet from the edge of your back yard overlooking your deck and into your master bedroom, THEN the NIMBY card gets played.
 
Until you're the one that will have no sun in your yard, or have have a third floor balcony the minimum 5 feet from the edge of your back yard overlooking your deck and into your master bedroom, THEN the NIMBY card gets played.
Not with me. I may decide to follow the same path. Or get out and go somewhere else.

To minimize those issues I bought a lot with trees along the back to provide a buffer. As they're mine, neighbour can't do that much to annoy with with their building (obviously if they are an ass that would still be a problem).
 
I call them LEGO houses - devoid of any architectural beauty. Eavestrough to eavestrough, making the largest indoor footprint they can. If someone can explain to me why you need a 5,000 sq ft house with 4 bathrooms for 3 or 4 people that'd be great.
Useful when none of the 4 people like each other.

Also useful if you're renting beds to 20 foreign students.
 
Useful when none of the 4 people like each other.

Also useful if you're renting beds to 20 foreign students.
It's also tied into the principal residence exemption with no limit. If you have a $40M principal residence increasing at 3M per year tax-free, that's a good deal. Most people I know would likely be in a much smaller house if not for unlimited cap gain exemption. I know I would have bought a much smaller house for hundreds of thousands less. Frees up more money for use now. Bought bigger on purpose as it has some current advantages and prinicipal residence is the single largest driver of net worth outside of a defined benefit pension (I have no pension other than CPP).
 
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Not with me. I may decide to follow the same path. Or get out and go somewhere else.

To minimize those issues I bought a lot with trees along the back to provide a buffer. As they're mine, neighbour can't do that much to annoy with with their building (obviously if they are an ass that would still be a problem).

Reads: it's not in my back yard, so I don't care.
 
Not with me. I may decide to follow the same path. Or get out and go somewhere else.

To minimize those issues I bought a lot with trees along the back to provide a buffer. As they're mine, neighbour can't do that much to annoy with with their building (obviously if they are an ass that would still be a problem).
This happened to my neighbors, the LTC home behind them looked like the Shitt's Creek motel till 2008 when they rebuilt. The new building had 30 more beds but looked like a public school, 2 stories with a 10' rooftop mechanical mezz 2x the footprint and 5x the floor space. Neighbors behind the building traded a ravine view for the elegance of a 24'brick wall and listening to the peaceful music of delivery trucks and rooftop mechanicals.

I'm lucky, can't see my neighbor's houses from my city yard. If I keep my trees happy that shouldn't change.
 

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