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Does Honda still sell the CBR125 in Canada?

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Roadghost said:
How much does it cost to bore out that block and put 250cc pistons in it? Probably not much, so the 250 is the replacement and they can ask more money for it.

I suggest the lower market will be invaded by Chinese bikes in the next few years, forcing the Japanese out.
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You can't "bore out" an engine to twice displacement.
Smaller Japanese bikes are already made in South Asia, India, it's not possible to make money with Japanese labor any more.
 
MacDoc said:
Kymco and Honda comparison??? BMW thinks enough of them to produce an $12k bike labeled as genuine BMW with a Kymco powerplant.

I'd not get too snooty.
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BMW sales have skyrocketed while reliability has plummeted in the last decade.
Like Harley, they've proven that quality has little to do with sales when you have brand recognition.
So of course they will make a Kymco and stick a BMW badge on it and charge 30% more.
 
Someone the other day was putting forth the argument that the smaller cc bikes,
just don't have enough acceleration anymore, as ordinary cars are getting faster and faster off of the line.

Any thoughts on whether this might be true, and whether it would influence small bike sales here?
 
Baggsy said:
Someone the other day was putting forth the argument that the smaller cc bikes,
just don't have enough acceleration anymore, as ordinary cars are getting faster and faster off of the line.

Any thoughts on whether this might be true, and whether it would influence small bike sales here?
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It's not like their acceleration is going to drop just because cars are accelerating better. What does that have to do with anything related to the small bikes?

Lots of cars are faster than lots of bikes and vice versa. The slow cars I end up stuck behind are often high end cars.
 
unL33T said:
It's not like their acceleration is going to drop just because cars are accelerating better. What does that have to do with anything related to the small bikes?

Lots of cars are faster than lots of bikes and vice versa. The slow cars I end up stuck behind are often high end cars.
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The thought was that people shouldn't or wouldn't buy a small bike, if cars were able to out accelerate them.

The parameters given were that both small bikes and most cars were at around seven and a half seconds to 100 kph.
 
Baggsy said:
The thought was that people shouldn't or wouldn't buy a small bike, if cars were able to out accelerate them.

The parameters given were that both small bikes and most cars were at around seven and a half seconds to 100 kph.
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Next to no one actually accelerates their car or bike as quickly as possible though. Personally I don't see why a bike NEEDS to be faster than a car.

Even if you own a supersport there's always going to be someone faster.
 
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CafeRay said:
You can't "bore out" an engine to twice displacement.
Smaller Japanese bikes are already made in South Asia, India, it's not possible to make money with Japanese labor any more.
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Of course you wouldn't. You would also stroke it. Japs are big fans of the square bore. The upright twin they use in the old CB 350 bikes is virtually the same engine in 175, 200, 250, 350 etc. They just swapped the jugs on it. Haven't really looked at the water cooled engines, but would guess the 125 and 250 have a lot in common to keep costs down.
 
The cbr125 and cbr250 engines share no major parts. The cbr125 engine is a traditional Honda single that has been around in some form for decades. The cbr250 engine was a ground up redesign. For the rest of the bike, although the 2nd-generation (2011+) cbr125 and 2012-2014 cbr250 have similar styling and share some parts (seats, gas tank, some fairing parts, aside from being painted differently) they're nothing at all alike under the skin. The frames are very different. Both made in Thailand though ... So is the Grom. So is the Ninja 250/300. I think the Yamaha R3 is, also. Check if the first letter of the VIN is "M".

As for the Kymco Quannon ... it looked similar but that's it. I know one person who bought one, and to say that it has not been very good, is an understatement. I know the sample size is small (one ... and I think I've only ever seen a couple of them) but based on that sample size, they're worse than Hyosung. I know he had two engine failures.

If BMW is getting engines built by Kymco under contract ... I sure hope BMW is keeping a watchful eye on them.
 
Brian P said:
Both made in Thailand though ... So is the Grom. So is the Ninja 250/300. I think the Yamaha R3 is, also. Check if the first letter of the VIN is "M".
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Ninja 650R/ER6N is also made in Thailand, as far as I'm aware.
 
Upon closer inspection, I dare say you are correct. Two completely different engines. Perhaps the age of the 125r engine was part of its demise.
 
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