Do I get to keep my GM2 if I move to the United States?

DOHC1

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Was wondering if anyone on here has an knowledge on what happens if i move to new york city. I travel between the two cities quite a bit, so my car up here in Toronto needs to remain insured. I currently hold a GM2, and need my bike in new york city registered + insured. When I go to the states, do I:

a) get to keep my Ontario license along with the NY one? Or do I have to surrender my Ontario one?
b) For the "G" license, I am not worried, as NY will acknowledge my Ontario license, but as for my M2, will I get a full NY state motorcycle license or a learner's permit? (since technically with an M2 I am not fully licensed)
c) If i ride this bike back down to Ontario from time to time, is this allowed? The bike will be used the majority of the time im NYC, but I would like to have the option of riding it north of the border.


I am hoping they give me the NY license and let me keep my Ontario one because it avoids hassle when I need to insure my Canadian vehicles
 
Your M2 will obviously expire here in Ontario, there's no way around that afaik.

Not sure what licence you'll get in NY, but when you come back to Ontario to ride, carry that one with you and you'll be fine.
 
As long as your a Canadian citizen still, I dont see why you would surrender your Ontario drivers license.

I would get your full "M" as soon as you can though, just get it over with and move on not worrying about it anymore.
 
As long as your a Canadian citizen still, I dont see why you would surrender your Ontario drivers license.

I would get your full "M" as soon as you can though, just get it over with and move on not worrying about it anymore.

I'm 19 and just got my M2 late last year. I'll be getting my M asap. I hold dual citizenship (USA/Canada), so does that allow me to hold a valid NY license and valid Ontario license at the same time?
 
You can have a Canadian and a NY license at the same time. You don't need to be a citizen to get a license, only a resident.

Check with the NY DMV to determine what you'll need to do to keep your motorcycle license. In California, because my Ontario license was from 'out of the country', I needed to take all the tests (written and in-vehicle) for both car and motorcycle.


As long as your a Canadian citizen still, I dont see why you would surrender your Ontario drivers license.

I would get your full "M" as soon as you can though, just get it over with and move on not worrying about it anymore.
I cancelled my Ontario license (along with many other things) when I moved to California for work. I did this to minimize the number of "residential ties" I had to Canada for tax purposes, in order to make sure I did not have to pay double tax (US + Canadian) on my income.
 
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Replies 1 & 2 are incorrect. They made me give up my Ontario licence to get a Texas one when I moved here. I tried to keep it, but they told me it was illegal to have 2 drivers licenses, even if they were from other countries.

On the plus side, since there is no graduated licensing, my M2 became an M, which I assume will transfer as a full M when I go back to Canada.
 
You might luck out and they can just issue you their equivalent of GM.. Depends on the state. Afterwards, if Canada becomes your primary place of residence, there's a good chance that they'll just issue you a GM when you come back without ever having to take M2x
 
Source: http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/license.htm

Drivers From the US or Canada Who Move to NYS


NYS recognizes valid driver licenses held by residents of other US states, US territories and Federal districts and Canadian provinces. If you become a resident of NYS, you must apply for a NYS driver license not more than 30 days after you become a NYS resident.
You can exchange an out-of-state driver license or Canadian driver license for a NYS driver license if the driver license has your photograph, the driver license is not suspended or revoked and the driver license:

  • has been valid for at least 6 months, or
  • has expired in the past 12 months, or
  • is a valid CDL and has been valid for any amount of time, and
The driver license that you exchange must show the date that your driver license was issued. The date is required to verify that the driver license was issued at least six months before you applied for a NYS driver license. If your out-of-state photo driver license does not show the date of issue, get a driver license record or letter from the state that issued the driver license that indicates the date of issue. The letter or driver abstract must have been issued by the other state within six months before you submit the letter or driver abstract to the NYSDMV. The letter or driver record must be an original and must be on the letterhead of the Department of Motor Vehicles of the other state. The letter or driver abstract cannot be a copy or a fax.
If your out-of-state driver license or Canadian driver license is suspended or revoked, you cannot apply for a NYS driver license. You must remove the suspension or revocation and bring to a NYS DMV office a valid driver license that meets the requirements listed above.
If you have only a driver license like those listed below, you must apply for a NYS driver license as a new driver. See "New Drivers-How to Apply".
You cannot exchange the following types of driver licenses for a NYS driver license:

  • a driver license with no photo
  • a driver license that does not show the date that the driver license was issued. Read the information about the requirement that your driver license show the date of issue.
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  • a driver license marked "non-renewable" or "non-transferable"
To exchange an acceptable out-of-state photo driver license for a NYS driver license:

  • Complete application form MV-44 and apply at a local DMV office.
  • Pass a vision test at the DMV office, or bring a valid form MV-619 (Eye Test Report) completed by an eye-care professional. If the form MV-619 has a print date of 9/03 or earlier, the form is valid for 6 months after the date of the eye test. If the form has a print date of 3/04 or later, the eye-care professional marks a box on the form to indicate if the form is valid for 6 months or for 12 months after the date of the eye test.
  • Surrender your out-of-state driver license. See the information below if your out-of-state driver license is lost or stolen.
  • Provide at least two points of identification and proof of date of birth, and your out-of-state photo driver license and your Social Security Card.
  • Show your Social Security Card. If you are not eligible for a Social Security Card, you must provide a letter from the US Social Security Administration (SSA) that states that you are not eligible. The SSA Letter must have been issued within the last 30 days. You must also show an I-94 with one of the following codes: B-1, B-2, E-2, F-2, H4, L-2, M-2, O-3, P-4, Q-3, R-2 or TD. At least 11 months of valid, legal status must remain on your I-94.
  • Pay the $10 application fee and the driver license fee with cash, check, money order or credit card.
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Instead of a duplicate driver license, you can apply to the previous state for a letter or driver abstract. The letter or driver abstract must be an original and must be on the letterhead of the Department of Motor Vehicles of the other state. The letter or driver abstract must have been issued by the other state within six months before you submit the letter or driver abstract to the NYSDMV. The letter or driver abstract cannot be a copy or a fax. The letter or driver abstract must contain all of the following information:

  • your name, address, date of birth and driver license identification number,
  • type or class of driver license and any restrictions.
  • any convictions, suspensions or revocations, and
  • the date your driver license was issued, and the expiration date of your latest driver license.
Bring the letter, driver abstract or duplicate photo driver license to a DMV office to apply for your NYS driver license. Remember that you must have six points of identification and proof of date of birth. A letter or driver abstract has no value as proof of identity or date of birth.
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  • NYS recognizes your foreign driver license if you remain a resident of the nation that issued the license. You do not need to have a NYS driver license to drive in NYS unless you become a resident of NYS.
  • If you have a driver license from any nation except Canada, you must pass a written test, complete a 5-hour pre-licensing course and pass a road test to qualify for a NYS driver license. See "New Drivers - How to Apply".
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Replies 1 & 2 are incorrect. They made me give up my Ontario licence to get a Texas one when I moved here. I tried to keep it, but they told me it was illegal to have 2 drivers licenses, even if they were from other countries.

On the plus side, since there is no graduated licensing, my M2 became an M, which I assume will transfer as a full M when I go back to Canada.

same thing happened to me. Moved to Alberta for work so had to surrender my Ontario license and my GM2 became a full 56 license. Later found out their motorcycle testing never involves riding on the rode let alone the highway as somebody might get killed.
 
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