Did the cop show up?

[kawi_girl]

I gave my advice. It's obviously your decision. Sounds like you already made it before posting.

well my real debate isn't necessarily whether to fight it or not, I just started the thread to see what other's experiences were with having the cop show up. The only way it's worth it for me is if the cop doesn't show up and the whole ticket gets thrown out. So, if I see that most of the time the cop shows up to court, then it's probably not worth it, and vice versa.

 

[09SV650S]

Incorrect it really depends on the region. Some regions schedule them on the officers days off. It is in their best interest for them to show up since it's 3 hours per court card in some circumstances. However if the amount of overtime generated puts them into a higher tax bracket that may be the reason for not showing up.

Did your cop friend tell you that or are you one?

Bc with all the forces I work with which is most of them in central Ontario. They schedule them during on duty time which is why the courts need to know their vacation times a year in advance to plan court duty around vacations, off duty time, etc.

So unless you or your friend are abusing the system they designed. That would probably be how it's being done.

 

[09SV650S]

Incorrect it really depends on the region. Some regions schedule them on the officers days off. It is in their best interest for them to show up since it's 3 hours per court card in some circumstances. However if the amount of overtime generated puts them into a higher tax bracket that may be the reason for not showing up.

PS if this is true. Which detachment is that? Be curious what is truly written in their PSA police services act.

 

[EC2010]

The court appears to schedule all cases/tickets issued by the same officer on the same day. Take a look at the docket posted outside the courtrooms, you'll see the same badge #'s running down the list.

OP - regardless if it's reduced or not, get representation and have them fight your ticket. It's important to have a clean record.

 

[09SV650S]

The court appears to schedule all cases/tickets issued by the same officer on the same day. Take a look at the docket posted outside the courtrooms, you'll see the same badge #'s running down the list.

OP - regardless if it's reduced or not, get representation and have them fight your ticket. It's important to have a clean record.

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[rbjeepthing]

Did your cop friend tell you that or are you one?

Bc with all the forces I work with which is most of them in central Ontario. They schedule them during on duty time which is why the courts need to know their vacation times a year in advance to plan court duty around vacations, off duty time, etc.

So unless you or your friend are abusing the system they designed. That would probably be how it's being done.

Not a friend and no I am not an officer. Also you will note I said "some circumstances" not all. What EC2010 writes below is an example of when that does not apply due to the fact they are viewed as a single court card in the eyes of payroll.

The court appears to schedule all cases/tickets issued by the same officer on the same day. Take a look at the docket posted outside the courtrooms, you'll see the same badge #'s running down the list.

OP - regardless if it's reduced or not, get representation and have them fight your ticket. It's important to have a clean record.

 

[09SV650S]

Not a friend and no I am not an officer. Also you will note I said "some circumstances" not all. What EC2010 writes below is an example of when that does not apply due to the fact they are viewed as a single court card in the eyes of payroll.

EV2010 validates my point by the courts book officers court time as much as possible "on duty time"

Even if its OT pay they usually get banked hours to take off which wouldn't effect their pay for tax purposes. Plus if an officer makes more money that's a great thing bc their pension goes up.

Obviously there are subtle differences between divisions. But come on man.

Really?

I've stated way more facts to support the claim.

Can't reason with bullhsit apparently lol

 

[rbjeepthing]

EV2010 validates my point by the courts book officers court time as much as possible "on duty time"

Even if its OT pay they usually get banked hours to take off which wouldn't effect their pay for tax purposes. Plus if an officer makes more money that's a great thing bc their pension goes up.

Obviously there are subtle differences between divisions. But come on man.

Really?

I've stated way more facts to support the claim.

Can't reason with bullhsit apparently lol

You have not stated any facts all you have stated is based on hearsay. Sure you can bank the time up to certain amounts but that is a whole different topic. I'll sum it up this way as I have stated it's not a friend and it's not me who is the officer but I do deposit the pay cheques for my household and understand very well how the region arrives at the amount I deposit.

Either way I'm not one to argue and you said it best "Can't reason with ********"

 

[09SV650S]

You have not stated any facts all you have stated is based on hearsay. Sure you can bank the time up to certain amounts but that is a whole different topic. I'll sum it up this way as I have stated it's not a friend and it's not me who is the officer but I do deposit the pay cheques for my household and understand very well how the region arrives at the amount I deposit.

Either way I'm not one to argue and you said it best "Can't reason with ********"

You're right. You must know how it works.

You deposit your wife's cheques who is in that career field

What do I know.

 

[unL33T]

I got the ticket in Guelph, but it was from an OPP officer, not sure if that'll make a difference or not?

HWY-LAW told me the small towns are actually harder to beat tickets in than in big cities.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

You have not stated any facts all you have stated is based on hearsay. Sure you can bank the time up to certain amounts but that is a whole different topic. I'll sum it up this way as I have stated it's not a friend and it's not me who is the officer but I do deposit the pay cheques for my household and understand very well how the region arrives at the amount I deposit.

Either way I'm not one to argue and you said it best "Can't reason with ********"

A couple of years back Toronto Police Services announced that they would be trying to have officers appear in court on days for which they were already scheduled to work, in order to combat their insane levels of OT they had to pay for.

 

[RyanK]

I wonder if a defendant can change the mind switching from pleading not guilty to guilty (with or without explanation). Will the judge/JP allow the last minute change of mind right before the actual trial and allow the defendant pay the reduced charge (i.e. face value of the ticket)?

 

[Picua]

So my question to all of you is...when you took your ticket to court, did the cop show up?

The trick is to reschedule your court date. They will usually send you a court date so the officer can take one day off and take care of a ******** of tickets. If you reschedule he might not be able to take another day off to show up in court.

 

[nikiter]

46 over knocked down to 15 over.........Did you pull the "V card" out?

 

[Pegassus]

fight it regardless, because the insurance premium increase will be greater than 1 day's lost wage.

edit: unless you're a baller and don't care about any number with less than three 0's after it.

Listen to this guy Kawi Girl, I also made the mistake of saying that it was not worth going to fight a ticket and instead went to work, I was convicted in absentia and because I never check my mail I did not know I had to pay the ticket on such a date and my licence was suspended for not paying the fine, now I have a suspended licence record that insurance companies like to throw in my face whenever I ask for a quote.

**EDITED**

I can already see you are a masochist and a "I don't care" person, don't fight the ticket, just get it and don't lose time at work.

 

[?spoc]

Should have made this a poll. I'm 1/1.


OPP Guelph schedules their officers 1 day in traffic court for every 4-5 weeks. It is on a scheduled dayshift, and the same officer will have 20 +/- matters.

Officers not showing to court without a valid reason; AND approval from a supervisor CAN face a PSA charge for Neglect of Duty. This CAN cost 8hrs pay for the first offence.

Traffic Court is ALMOST always scheduled on a working day, Criminal court not so much. Things like shuffling officers between platoons or shifts happens which buggers up their court schedule. Also training courses get assigned and reassigned which changes schedule. Anyone who takes bank time to take a vacation is not going to cancel it to go and testify to a speeding ticket.... Off duty court card = 4hrs 1st hour, time and a half every hour thereafter. OT is good, some things are worth more than money. I work to live, i don't live to work.

46 over to 15...wow, 341.00 + 4pts, to 52.50 0 points. Nice officer.

 

[GooseYZF]

From what I can gather ?spoc is right about the likelihood of an OPP officer turning up, all they do is traffic unless it's a contract policing area, so it's kind of a big deal for them and their court dates are scheduled during duty time.

Most municipal forces do the same thing with scheduling now trying to improve the 40-45% attendance rate reported in the past. Where it differs from OPP is that Municipal officers will still be doing regular calls for service on those scheduled days so quite often don't get to court because they're tied up on calls. There's an exception to every rule though, if it's a municipal traffic cop they won't be doing regular calls so very likely will appear. As for changes in schedules etc. that put the court dates onto days off, the general rule, and It does differ from service to service, is that overtime won't be given unless the officer has multiple cases on the docket, an accident with witnesses or a Part 3 offence (summons with no option for set fine).

It's always worth rolling the dice for the officer not showing.... But you have to have a plan B in your pocket in case he or she shows!


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[Fenrir Fox]

depends on the judge
last time the judge wouldn't drop the case even the cop didn't show up, reschedule and piss off all the defendants
reason is "cop is human and will get sick too, same as defendants, they have rights to reschedule too"
fyi, in woodbridge court

 

[murf]

It would be unfortunate if the ticket got bumped up to the original 46 over

 

[?spoc]

Nothing like giving a big break only to recieve a court card. In this case I would bet the officer and crown would seek the amendment. Breaks are ALWAYS offered to some degree in court. Wonder why some bother at the roadside.