Problem is that it's spring and that tree doesn't have any leaves yet, so the sign is clearly visible (as I discovered post factum)..
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Destroyed my clean record. Got a question!
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Problem is that it's spring and that tree doesn't have any leaves yet, so the sign is clearly visible (as I discovered post factum)..
Splash
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Good point.. The sign says "coming up, there's no left turn"....
Just because you've seen it before doesn't mean it's legal. Just like all those speed limit signs without KM/H on them are not legal.
Some insurance companies (I think SF) don't care about the 1st minor ticket. So, whether it shows on your record or not, you may still get the GSXR at a normal rate.
I might be wrong tho =)
I might be wrong tho =)
Was the ticket written on a Provincial offences ticket, or was it written on a by-law slip? if its written on a bylaw slip then the required information for this to end up on your abstract is not captured.
The cop wrote you a by-law. You were not charged under the highway traffic act. You can fight it if you want, however you already got off easy.
The hta charge is $110 and 2 points.
The cop wrote you a by-law. You were not charged under the highway traffic act. You can fight it if you want, however you already got off easy.
The hta charge is $110 and 2 points.
I drive down this road every day. Never once noticed those time restriction signs until now.
I assume you use Aberdeen to get to the 403? If so, another shortcut is to go through the intersection (the backup is usually only in the left turn lane) and make a left on Stanely and then take either Kent or Locke back up to Aberdeen.
I assume you use Aberdeen to get to the 403? If so, another shortcut is to go through the intersection (the backup is usually only in the left turn lane) and make a left on Stanely and then take either Kent or Locke back up to Aberdeen.
Like iFly55 said: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_940339_e.htm
Look at #29 in the chart. It can.
Are you trying to say that all those "No Right on Red", "No Left Turn", "Lane Directions" that are hung on the far side of almost ALL intersections are all not legal.... Highly Doubtfull....
bboySushi
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If you're with State Farm then they allow for 1 minor ticket so it wouldn't affect you whatsoever.
Now, I know normally you fight every ticket but in this case you may want to pay for this one asap for the following reason: If you have a clean record, and your insurance policy has a 3 year "past record" for convictions then you can take it now and get it out of the way earlier, in the event that you get a second ticket within the next 3 years. If you do, you can just fight that one until it's past your 3 year date and your insurance will never hike.
Of course you can always just fight and win as well. Just something to consider.
Now, I know normally you fight every ticket but in this case you may want to pay for this one asap for the following reason: If you have a clean record, and your insurance policy has a 3 year "past record" for convictions then you can take it now and get it out of the way earlier, in the event that you get a second ticket within the next 3 years. If you do, you can just fight that one until it's past your 3 year date and your insurance will never hike.
Of course you can always just fight and win as well. Just something to consider.
vkhamphi
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I stated before there might be demerits attached but the OP is worried about insurance for a future supersport but demerits means nothing if there isn't a moving violation attached. Hamilton may be different but the way it is handled in Toronto is that the by-law offence is not submitted to the Province because they couldn't agree on who gets the big share of the penalty dollars so Toronto decided to keep all the revenue and does not submit the offence.
Personally I would pay my paralegal to fight it for me, it will cost a little more then the fine amount for him to fight it, but also %90 hes going to have it withdrawn not reduced...And I dont have to take the day off work to go to court...I fight all tickets, no matter how small or large..And %90 of them get withdrawn
Like I mentioned earlier I would fight it on the grounds that the sign is clearly past the intersection. At most large intersections these signs are placed on the traffic signal arms at the far side of the intersection. But they are still clearly within the intersection limits. The sign in your case was placed on a hydro pole that is definately past the intersection. Therefore one could agure that the sign meant no left turns ahead. It's the Municipalities responsibility to ensure correct placement of the sign. In this case they were either reluctant to place the sign with it's own post in the appropraite location or were trying to save money by making use of an existing hydro pole that was located past the intersection. They probably figured no one would challenge them.
I wouldn't be surprised if you fight this and win based on the placement location. That the Municipality comes back and relocates that sign.
Bottom line I would fight this, what do you have to lose in this case.
I wouldn't be surprised if you fight this and win based on the placement location. That the Municipality comes back and relocates that sign.
Bottom line I would fight this, what do you have to lose in this case.
Kri$han
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No way that's gonna work. NO WAY. Based on the google street view alone, THhere's two signs, and the next intersection is too far for the sign to be applicable there. What code or standard do you plan to reference in your defense? You can't just say "it's past the intersection", cuz its a few feet beyond it; there has to be a rule or standard written, which clearly states where the sign can be placed in order for you to use this plan in court.
Your cheapest option is to go to court and pray the cop doesn't show (not likely, he will, it's rumored that they get OT to show up in court). The expensive option is to get a lawyer; make sure you tell him that a "win" is defined as NO charge, or withdrawn charge, not just a reduction.
Lol, guys, all I want is to get the GSXR750 with the negotiated with the boss (read 'wife') insurance premium! At least for the first year! So, I'm "fighting" the ticket by stating "not guilty". After the Gixxer is in my garage, I'm turning myself in, haha 
Once again, your statement is wrong. I generally wouldn't care or get involved but you are giving pretty bad advice
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I think you may be confusing this with parking offences, which are indeed municipal. This however is a moving violation, under the HTA, regardless if it occurred in Toronto, Hamilton or anywhere else in Ontario; it will result in demerit points upon conviction and could subsequently affect his premium.
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