COVID and the housing market | Page 320 | GTAMotorcycle.com

COVID and the housing market

It always does...just a matter of how long the timeline is. 1-3 years is iffy, 3-5 is pretty much good to roll, 5+ and you're def going up over that timeframe, unless something REALLY REALLY bad happens.
Like the housing crash in the early '90s?

My father-in-law bought, the market crashed, it went back up to what he paid by 2005, then he sold and broke even.

I'm waiting for multi-generational mortgages... was talking with a customer from Holland. She told me the bank always owns half your house, and your mortgage gets assumed by your kids when you die...

Crazy ********.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk
 
Friends bought a six bed rental house in kingston (1600 sf finished) for $540k. The plan is to rent it to students for $4,800/mo. Property tax is about 3K. That should be very profitable for my friends. Property tax is 250/mo, mortgage maybe 2500/mo, that leaves 2000/mo free for repairs or profit from day one (assuming they get their rent number).
Gulp.

$540k costs $3k a month to finance, add $350 for taxes, $100 mo for insurance.

My student housing lord friend has 6 houses, 30 room in Guelph, he spends $800/room/yr on maintenance.

$800 a room might be possible in a 2br rental with utilities... a 6 room house will be more like $550.

I doubt your friends can break even.
 
Gulp.

$540k costs $3k a month to finance, add $350 for taxes, $100 mo for insurance.

My student housing lord friend has 6 houses, 30 room in Guelph, he spends $800/room/yr on maintenance.

$800 a room might be possible in a 2br rental with utilities... a 6 room house will be more like $550.

I doubt your friends can break even.
I have no idea if 4800/mo is reasonable or not in that market. I would assume they looked at comps but I haven't so I don't know. Knowing that outflow is 3516 a month, they have a lot of room to move in their asking price and remain cashflow positive (and that assume entire amount was financed, I have no idea what downpayment was).
 
I have no idea if 4800/mo is reasonable or not in that market. I would assume they looked at comps but I haven't so I don't know. Knowing that outflow is 3516 a month, they have a lot of room to move in their asking price and remain cashflow positive (and that assume entire amount was financed, I have no idea what downpayment was).
I have 2 nieces and a nephew at Queens. 1 lives in a 3 br with 2 roommates, she pays $800 + utilities. Another is in a 5 br student house 3 full bathrooms, he's in a basement room at $550, is sis is upstairs at $650 all in.

Both houses have 4 parking spots, snow removal and lawn care.
 
Gulp.

$540k costs $3k a month to finance, add $350 for taxes, $100 mo for insurance.

My student housing lord friend has 6 houses, 30 room in Guelph, he spends $800/room/yr on maintenance.

$800 a room might be possible in a 2br rental with utilities... a 6 room house will be more like $550.

I doubt your friends can break even.
Do the students stay the full year or are the rooms vacant during the summer?

A friend near U of T Mississauga rented out two bedrooms for $600 each, before Covid. He's letting them sit vacant now.
 
Do the students stay the full year or are the rooms vacant during the summer?

A friend near U of T Mississauga rented out two bedrooms for $600 each, before Covid. He's letting them sit vacant now.
Normally rooms are empty during the summer but they are still paying. In my experience, maybe 20% occupancy. I did learn ways slumlords use to screw unsuspecting victims. Tenant protection is all based on monthly rent. Landlord wanted $100 increase but offered two months free in the summer. Net increase was low. The next year they added 2% and went back to 12 months a year. Mother ^(&*(&*&er. Rent effectively went up by double digits but technically didn't run afoul of the law.
 
Normally rooms are empty during the summer but they are still paying. In my experience, maybe 20% occupancy. I did learn ways slumlords use to screw unsuspecting victims. Tenant protection is all based on monthly rent. Landlord wanted $100 increase but offered two months free in the summer. Net increase was low. The next year they added 2% and went back to 12 months a year. Mother ^(&*(&*&er. Rent effectively went up by double digits but technically didn't run afoul of the law.
Student rental is tough. It works best if your kid is in school, the are a live in, eviction is simple, as is damage control.

You need parents to sign leases, not the kids. You need to drop in on the odd Friday night with a case of beer to be the cool landlord to keep the respect of the animals.

Again, not for the feint of heart!

One last thing... have nice clean bathrooms and only rent to girls.
 
Bought house for 1.25 as a potential flip. 2-3 months of heavy renovations (removed a pool), waterproofing etc. Painted brick and window / eavestroughs to black.

Listed for 1.25M hoping for a bidding war a year or so ago, zero interest.

On the market again. Don't think anyone actually lived there, but now hoping for an extra 100k in tax free capital gains...

 
Bought house for 1.25 as a potential flip. 2-3 months of heavy renovations (removed a pool), waterproofing etc. Painted brick and window / eavestroughs to black.

Listed for 1.25M hoping for a bidding war a year or so ago, zero interest.

On the market again. Don't think anyone actually lived there, but now hoping for an extra 100k in tax free capital gains...

I'm not sure why the government is so lazy with tracking principal residences. It is almost trivial. They want you to report property sales on income tax now but there is little to prevent yku from just saying that everything you sold was your principal residence.
 
I'm not sure why the government is so lazy with tracking principal residences. It is almost trivial. They want you to report property sales on income tax now but there is little to prevent yku from just saying that everything you sold was your principal residence.
Because a lot of the people making the rules are also landlords and real estate investors.
 
Like the housing crash in the early '90s?

My father-in-law bought, the market crashed, it went back up to what he paid by 2005, then he sold and broke even.

I'm waiting for multi-generational mortgages... was talking with a customer from Holland. She told me the bank always owns half your house, and your mortgage gets assumed by your kids when you die...

Crazy ********.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk
The housing crash in 89 mostly wiped out speculators. Wild speculation on urban prebuilds and gentrifying Toronto neighborhoods doubled house prices between 1986 and 88, then !!!BOOM!!! in '89 speculators got crushed and the 1 year bubble burst. The only folks that would have suffered (other than speculators) were first-time buyers who bought in the middle 6 mos bubble of 89 -- a very small number of people.

Not unlike the pre-build condo frenzy of the last few years -- except back then most builders sold prebuilds 8-12 mos before closing so the correction happened much quicker.
 
The housing crash in 89 mostly wiped out speculators. Wild speculation on urban prebuilds and gentrifying Toronto neighborhoods doubled house prices between 1986 and 88, then !!!BOOM!!! in '89 speculators got crushed and the 1 year bubble burst. The only folks that would have suffered (other than speculators) were first-time buyers who bought in the middle 6 mos bubble of 89 -- a very small number of people.

Not unlike the pre-build condo frenzy of the last few years -- except back then most builders sold prebuilds 8-12 mos before closing so the correction happened much quicker.
My old neighbours bought their first (and only) house at that time. Took many many years to get back to even but they just plugged away. Mortgage is now clear and they are in a low seven figure house that they paid low six figures for. Buy somewhere you can live and it will eventually work out. Could they have done better? Sure, but you don't know what the best path was until you look back.
 
My old neighbours bought their first (and only) house at that time. Took many many years to get back to even but they just plugged away. Mortgage is now clear and they are in a low seven figure house that they paid low six figures for. Buy somewhere you can live and it will eventually work out. Could they have done better? Sure, but you don't know what the best path was until you look back.
Too many people are counting on their GTA house being their RRSP. Pay it off, sell and retire to a couple hours out of the GTA, buy for half the price and have a million or so to play with.
 
Too many people are counting on their GTA house being their RRSP. Pay it off, sell and retire to a couple hours out of the GTA, buy for half the price and have a million or so to play with.
It's better than a rrsp. Tax free, by definition automatically inflation adjusted, it is socially acceptable to discuss (rrsp balance for the vast majority of people is very very private), service fees are lower than an investment advisor that takes a yearly percentage, etc. You do lack in diversification but you put all your money in a basket that is too big to fail and government will protect at almost all costs.
 
Too many people are counting on their GTA house being their RRSP. Pay it off, sell and retire to a couple hours out of the GTA, buy for half the price and have a million or so to play with.
I'd say the bigger issue is that much more people are now conditioned to think of their houses and real estate as simply an investment.

IF, and this is a big IF, there is a major correction...this will wipe out a LOT of people, and leave investors to pick up cheap property (as every recession / housing crash before it).

Simple example: Young adults investing in income properties ahead of their own homes, report finds

More people are looking at housing as the ONLY way to get ahead.

I've had this argument on multiple reddit subs...everyone complains about landlords...until they become one. Then they complain about the tenants.
 
It's better than a rrsp. Tax free, by definition automatically inflation adjusted, it is socially acceptable to discuss (rrsp balance for the vast majority of people is very very private), service fees are lower than an investment advisor that takes a yearly percentage, etc. You do lack in diversification but you put all your money in a basket that is too big to fail and government will protect at almost all costs.
So much has messed up our heads. When I was little and saw something nice my mother would say "If you want something like that you have to work hard and save your money". The work ethic.

Now parents tell their kids they have to win a lottery. Lotteries fund charitable things in society thus eliminating those costs from the government's budget. Therefore taxes and deficits should be dropping like dead flies. Hmmm.
 
So much has messed up our heads. When I was little and saw something nice my mother would say "If you want something like that you have to work hard and save your money". The work ethic.

Now parents tell their kids they have to win a lottery. Lotteries fund charitable things in society thus eliminating those costs from the government's budget. Therefore taxes and deficits should be dropping like dead flies. Hmmm.
Well the parents are right.

In your age, no offence, but one could work and earn enough to buy a house, car, and a life for you and your family.

Now? Zero chance of regular 'hard work' paying off enough to buy a house, car, and a comfortable life for you and your family. Double income households are the minimum. Bank of mom and dad are an unfortunate necessity for MANY people.

Things just go so wildly out of control along the line, that a single earner will NEVER earn enough to support all these things (unless that single earner is making 200k or more).
 
Well the parents are right.

In your age, no offence, but one could work and earn enough to buy a house, car, and a life for you and your family.

Now? Zero chance of regular 'hard work' paying off enough to buy a house, car, and a comfortable life for you and your family. Double income households are the minimum. Bank of mom and dad are an unfortunate necessity for MANY people.

Things just go so wildly out of control along the line, that a single earner will NEVER earn enough to support all these things (unless that single earner is making 200k or more).
Save all the money you pay for lottery tickets for a year and buy decent stocks. The next year do the same re-investing the dividends. Repeat. Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Stop be a slave to the retail market. The fake it til you make it is no more successful than strategic lottery numbers.
 
Save all the money you pay for lottery tickets for a year and buy decent stocks. The next year do the same re-investing the dividends. Repeat. Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Stop be a slave to the retail market. The fake it til you make it is no more successful than strategic lottery numbers.
I spend less than $40 a year on lottery. Normally much less than that. I'll buy a line once maxmillions are happening. Maybe freedom, probably $5 lit on fire. No appreciable investment value over time. For those that buy $100 in tickets a week, your guidance is very good.
 
Save all the money you pay for lottery tickets for a year and buy decent stocks. The next year do the same re-investing the dividends. Repeat. Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Stop be a slave to the retail market. The fake it til you make it is no more successful than strategic lottery numbers.
I feel personally attacked...but I'll bite.

I buy $100 in lottery tickets every 2-3 months. It's a set it and forget it subscription service for me, which provides me with a cheap $100 entertainment.

I don't go clubbing. I don't go to eat out a lot, and I don't burn my money on fire. Hell you know me well enough and those focaccias are delicious (thank you btw).

So if I use that example...that's (let's say) $500/year in dividend paying stocks. After a decade I'll have...$700? Maybe $1000? Meanwhile costs go up an order of magnitude in the same time frame.

While I see the point you're making, I think it's rather out of touch with today's realities of the younger generation. It's not as simple as 'just work hard and you'll get yours'.
 

Back
Top Bottom