Can you provide an incident of civil forfeiture happening to someone other than criminals?
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Can you provide an incident of civil forfeiture happening to someone other than criminals?
Article was updated to say he has other sources of income.
In the US sadly there are hundreds of thousands. They have civil asset forfeiture in addition to criminal asset forfeiture. Thankfully canada hasn't gone that far down the road yet where the police are literally used by the government as sanctioned armed robbers.
You don't even need IRS. TSA calls cops when you have cash at the airport (entirely legal for a domestic flight). Cops show up and seize it. You can sue them to get it back. You could be going to vegas, going to buy a vehicle or a hundred other legitimate reasons but their position is you need to sue them and prove in court why you should get it back. The cost of the lawsuit exceeds the value of the theft and IIRC, lawyer fees cannot be recovered in that type of suit so few people bother as there is little upside and lots more downside. Straight up armed robbery.
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I've been following it for a few years now... I know of hundreds of incident in the US... in all sort of scenarios. A lot of the incidents that are "questionable".. see the money returned to the individual eventually.
I don't know of any cases in Canada that didn't involve criminal charges, crime proceeds, etc.. not saying it hasn't happened.
The police get to keep a portion of the seizure.. is why they do it.
Mikedezo44
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The 2000 comments under that article really give me a chuckle.
No need to tip Uber drivers, they are millionaires.
Justin working day and night to implement new HERB program. Home equity Rescue Benefit.
etc
No need to tip Uber drivers, they are millionaires.
Justin working day and night to implement new HERB program. Home equity Rescue Benefit.
etc
New subdivisions in Vaughan more than a decade ago seemed to have a disproportionate percentage of starving taxi drivers. For a job that on paper pays crap, they could buy a lot of houses.
From wikipedia, not my favorite source but presumably in the ballpark of truth. About 10% get challenged in court. Imo mostly due to cost/benefit but an alternate possible theory is because the money was dodgy but 85% not being charged with any crime leads me to believe it's not nearly as dodgy as the govt would like the public to believe.
"In 1986, the Department of Justice's Asset Forfeiture Fund took in $93.7 million; in 2008, it took in $1 billion.[9] Much of this growth happened in the past decade; one analysis suggested that seizures had grown 600 percent from 2002 to 2012.[43] From 2005 to 2010, government seizures of assets from both criminals as well as innocent citizens went from $1.25 billion to $2.50 billion.[16] In 2012, over $4.4 billion were seized through forfeiture [44] as compared to an estimated $4.7 billion American suffered as losses from criminal burglary.[45] Federal authorities seized over $4 billion in 2013 through forfeiture, with some of the money being taken from innocent victims.[30] In 2010, there were 15,000 cases of forfeitures.[16] Over 12 years, agencies have taken $20 billion in cash, securities, other property from drug bosses and Wall Street tycoons as well as "ordinary Americans who have not committed crimes".[43] One estimate was that in 85% of civil forfeiture instances, the property owner was never charged with a crime.[11] In 2010, there were 11,000 noncriminal forfeiture cases.[16] In 2010, claimants challenged 1,800 civil forfeiture seizures in federal court.[16]"
US has gone completely off the rails with this. Criminal asset forfeiture makes a lot of sense. Civil asset forfeiture is robbery.
Damn. 73 yo man is mad at condo board and has had a restraining order against him by the board since 2018. Last night he kills a lot of them with a handgun and is then killed by police. Another reason to avoid condos. Obviously these issues started before covid but it hasn't been great for the mental health of anyone. Hopefully this advances mechanisms to force owners with unresolvable issues to leave.
globalnews.ca
Police name gunman in Vaughan mass shooting, was involved in dispute with condo | Globalnews.ca
York Regional Police Chief Jim MacSween said 73-year-old Francesco Villi died after an interaction with an officer on the third floor of the building.
globalnews.ca
Damn. 73 yo man is mad at condo board and has had a restraining order against him by the board since 2018. Last night he kills a lot of them with a handgun and is then killed by police. Another reason to avoid condos. Obviously these issues started before covid but it hasn't been great for the mental health of anyone. Hopefully this advances mechanisms to force owners with unresolvable issues to leave.
Police name gunman in Vaughan mass shooting, was involved in dispute with condo | Globalnews.ca
York Regional Police Chief Jim MacSween said 73-year-old Francesco Villi died after an interaction with an officer on the third floor of the building.
Nut jobss
DownUnder
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Damn. 73 yo man is mad at condo board and has had a restraining order against him by the board since 2018. Last night he kills a lot of them with a handgun and is then killed by police. Another reason to avoid condos. Obviously these issues started before covid but it hasn't been great for the mental health of anyone. Hopefully this advances mechanisms to force owners with unresolvable issues to leave.
Police name gunman in Vaughan mass shooting, was involved in dispute with condo | Globalnews.ca
York Regional Police Chief Jim MacSween said 73-year-old Francesco Villi died after an interaction with an officer on the third floor of the building.
Terminal cancer, that he believed the board was responsible for and nothing left to lose. Sad story all around.
you can also fly in and out of Canada ,and the US but you have to declare anything over 10K cash. If you have an appropriate paper trail and documentation its not a problem but you will go to secondary with the border services folks. These days with modern banking you would almost have to be carrying that much for illegal reasons. $9,999 does not have to be declared.
Or you take 10, wife flies the next day and takes 10, now you have 20K in where ever. Both pull the 2k daily limit out of an ATM, or 8K because you have more than 1 account . now you have 30K in where ever. its not that hard .
Coming back from Panama I had 15K , I kept 9 , other guy help 6 . No issues,
Mad Mike
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In Canada, only a few obscure cases like when son is a dope dealer living in mom and dad's dope-mansion.
The laws are designed to target criminals in Canada. Till recently, it was mostly used against contraband smugglers, traffickers, illegal gaming, theft rings, financial fraudsters etc.
Targets are expanding, BC is now targeting unexplained wealth, which is a fancy way of defining tax evasion. If you live in Canada, your worldwide income is taxable - there are plenty living large in Canada earning substantial offshore income that is not reported. It will become tougher to own a 4 table restaurant and a $6m waterfront condo.
B.C. to table legislation increasing ease of government to seize individuals’ assets without being charged
Provincial watchdog calls the legislation ‘an unnecessary expansion of government power and an unacceptable infringement of Canadians’ rights’
www.theglobeandmail.com
He posted video of a rant about god and jesus and justice not long before. Sadly, if it had been a different religion, that would have been the lead.
Tragically, he got to the edge mentally. Whether he was pushed or got there himself will be for others to decide. It was pretty obvious from what he posted that he was spiraling. Since he blamed Benny Marotta for a lot of his issues, Benny is lucky to have dodged this. Same for the lawyers.
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DownUnder
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In Canada, only a few obscure cases like when son is a dope dealer living in mom and dad's dope-mansion.
The laws are designed to target criminals in Canada. Till recently, it was mostly used against contraband smugglers, traffickers, illegal gaming, theft rings, financial fraudsters etc.
Targets are expanding, BC is now targeting unexplained wealth, which is a fancy way of defining tax evasion. If you live in Canada, your worldwide income is taxable - there are plenty living large in Canada earning substantial offshore income that is not reported. It will become tougher to own a 4 table restaurant and a $6m waterfront condo.
B.C. to table legislation increasing ease of government to seize individuals’ assets without being charged
Provincial watchdog calls the legislation ‘an unnecessary expansion of government power and an unacceptable infringement of Canadians’ rights’
So canada wants to tax people on money they make overseas and already pay tax for in the country they make it? How exactly is that going to work?
Normally a differential. If you already paid enough tax overseas, you dont owe anything here. If you didnt pay enough, you need to give Canada a slice.
Why not, if you decide to kick it in the Bahamas for 30 years, and then show up with whothefknowscancer. We got to take care of you after whatever the cooldown period is. So, if you want to keep your Canadian citizenship status and rights then it's only fair you pay for that privilege.
As someone who used live outside of this country on semi permeant basis, I don't mind it. The good ol USA has the same system so nothing new here. Tax is good people, tax more. Just spend it wisely.
Mad Mike
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If you are a Canadian resident, you pay Canadian taxes on your worldwide income. Always been that way.
You can reduce the Canadian tax due by tge amount you pay to another tax regime.
I pay a few local suppliers that invoice me from a factory they own in China. I'm pretty sure they don't claim the income in Canada.
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