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COVID and the housing market

Ooof. 1390 Lawson St Alcona (Innisfil). Typical newish two car garage subdivision house on 40' lot. Bought in Feb for 1.7M (on market for less than a week). Just sold for 1.2M (on market for more than a month). I don't know if it was fomo or just insanity that made them think 1.7 was a good idea for a cookie cutter house in commuter hell. I wonder how many of these are primary residences and how many were bought as barely viable investments and changing rates have made the investors insolvent so they need to stop the bleeding.
 
they do. maxmillions. but $1M wouldn't buy you a proper house in the GTA anyways.
No but it gets you in the ballpark of a reasonable mortgage payment.

I only buy tickets when there are lots of max millions. I would buy tickets more often if the jackpot was capped at 5M and many more maxmillions were available.
 
No but it gets you in the ballpark of a reasonable mortgage payment.

I only buy tickets when there are lots of max millions. I would buy tickets more often if the jackpot was capped at 5M and many more maxmillions were available.
My beef:

I grew up, pre lotteries and would say something to my mother about seeing a nice house. Her reply would be " If you want one like it, get an education and good job. Save and spend your money wisely."

Now it's "Ya gotta win a lottery". Lotteries have destroyed our work ethics.

Edit: If you're content with the roof over your head and lifestyle, go ahead and buy a lottery ticket for amusement. It's like fishing a poorly stocked lake. If you get a bite of any size, it's a good day.
 
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My beef:

I grew up, pre lotteries and would say something to my mother about seeing a nice house. Her reply would be " If you want one like it, get an education and good job. Save and spend your money wisely."

Now it's "Ya gotta win a lottery". Lotteries have destroyed our work ethics.
To be fair, the old argument doesn't work either. House prices have destroyed our ability to work to pay for secure housing. Either you are renting and that is draining most of your income or you are trying to save for a down payment by living at home and dwelling prices are in general increasing by much more than you are saving and they run away from you. To get in now you either need an extraordinary income or a huge gift/win to get you in the game. Quite sad really.

I've seen a few houses near barrie sell for ~$700K and that seems almost reasonable (because we have been conditioned to think in crazy numbers) but then you look at the interest that you need to pay and holy crap. Even if you saved 100K for a downpayment, you are looking at $30K in interest a year for the next few years. Add in maintenance, property tax and trying to pay off some principal and you left affordable territory far behind.
 
To be fair, the old argument doesn't work either. House prices have destroyed our ability to work to pay for secure housing. Either you are renting and that is draining most of your income or you are trying to save for a down payment by living at home and dwelling prices are in general increasing by much more than you are saving and they run away from you. To get in now you either need an extraordinary income or a huge gift/win to get you in the game. Quite sad really.

I've seen a few houses near barrie sell for ~$700K and that seems almost reasonable (because we have been conditioned to think in crazy numbers) but then you look at the interest that you need to pay and holy crap. Even if you saved 100K for a downpayment, you are looking at $30K in interest a year for the next few years. Add in maintenance, property tax and trying to pay off some principal and you left affordable territory far behind.
BTW I edited my post with lotteries being OK for amusement.

It would take several degrees in economics to unravel the implications but one reason for obscene house prices is the YOLO attitude of the masses and it's almost impossible for an individual to fight the current generated by the masses. Consumer prices are not all that different than an auction. There's just a time delay.

Romaine is rotting on the shelves because people won't pay $5 for wilted rusty lettuce. The same people were outbidding each other for wilted rotting houses.

Consumerism has people paying $200 for a tee shirt no better than a $20 tee shirt. How many other products fit that scenario? Egos and expectations are expensive.

Over my lifetime I've seen house prices go up 100 X . Wages have gone up 10 X. It isn't the house it's the land.

Job insecurities have some working longer hours and compensate with more eating out, prepared foods.

Belt tightening and strategic buying helps but a couple starting out on $150 K total income will have trouble saving for a workable down payment, even more so if they drive a M-B. They might be able to come up with a down payment in 10 years. Then it's kids at 35-40 YO.

Trusting the government to look out for us is the biggest mistake. We needed changes to capital gain legislation ages ago but so much trust has been lost with the governments that no one would accept some small modifications. Now massive corrections are needed and the country has become polarized.

What political party would you trust with your credit card and pin?
 
Good point @nobbie48. My current house was about 3x my salary when I bought it in 93. For my daughter to buy she would be lucky to find a house at 8x her salary.
 
I'm getting a whole whack of 'I overextended on my investment and now BoC is to blame' vibes here...

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I love that they are mad at Paradise. If the homes went up a few hundred grand between purchase and closing would these buyers be cutting paradise a cheque? Hell no. People always want to keep the upside and push the downside onto others. Now, it is important that regulation protects buyers from developers playing the same game. If contract is fixed price, it is fixed price and market adjustment for either side should not be allowed and harshly punished if a backdoor is used in bad faith (eg. six figure utility connection that is an order of magnitude more than every other developer passes along).
 
I love that they are mad at Paradise. If the homes went up a few hundred grand between purchase and closing would these buyers be cutting paradise a cheque? Hell no. People always want to keep the upside and push the downside onto others. Now, it is important that regulation protects buyers from developers playing the same game. If contract is fixed price, it is fixed price and market adjustment for either side should not be allowed and harshly punished if a backdoor is used in bad faith (eg. six figure utility connection that is an order of magnitude more than every other developer passes along).
Agreed 100% it's greed.

Property value goes down = developer greed and everyone is to blame
Property value goes up = I am the best investor in the world! Why aren't the rest of you plebs as smart as I am!? Idiots.

There should def be protections from bad developers, and people need to be protected...

But in this case, just judging from the signs, these people got caught in the BoC interest rate hikes and over extended.
 
Agreed 100% it's greed.

Property value goes down = developer greed and everyone is to blame
Property value goes up = I am the best investor in the world! Why aren't the rest of you plebs as smart as I am!? Idiots.

There should def be protections from bad developers, and people need to be protected...

But in this case, just judging from the signs, these people got caught in the BoC interest rate hikes and over extended.

Exactly this. People just don't take any responsibility for their own actions anymore.
 
You don't need to spend a million dollars in the gta to get something that meets that criteria...
keyword was house. I'm sure there's outliers but a proper detached house not townhouse would be hard in the GTA.
do you need a detached? no, I'm in a TH and perfectly happy.
 
Those folks taking a day off work to protest ? They will be cold and short a day .
In two months , cold , short a few days and paying a bag more interest.

The Man did it to them …..


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I caught a CBC Marketplace on the weekend where they did a segment on mortgage fraud, the faking income amount etc. to get a mortgage amount higher than you qualify for, it was interesting.

Of course there was a couple that it back fired on and they were out down payment and possibly the new sale price differential. They are paying the price for trying to cheat the system and they think they are victims....
 
I caught a CBC Marketplace on the weekend where they did a segment on mortgage fraud, the faking income amount etc. to get a mortgage amount higher than you qualify for, it was interesting.

Of course there was a couple that it back fired on and they were out down payment and possibly the new sale price differential. They are paying the price for trying to cheat the system and they think they are victims....
Of course they are. The man continues to keep them down (nevermind that for many, they bought a handful of houses at the same time to try to cash in on the housing lottery).
 
My gal pal the mortgage broker says she doesn’t see it often , but occasionally a young lad comes in and Dad owns a business , letter of earnings is about 3x believable for that industry . Further documentation requested , inquiries go to ghost mode ……


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My gal pal the mortgage broker says she doesn’t see it often , but occasionally a young lad comes in and Dad owns a business , letter of earnings is about 3x believable for that industry . Further documentation requested , inquiries go to ghost mode ……


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Thank you for your application. I'll forward copies to the CRA for comparison to your T-4s
 

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