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COVID and the housing market

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Flat rate is $4g if it sells. If it doesn't sell. You pay zero. Typical real estate commission is 10 to 30g?

Their closing cost is $900. My last lawyer charged me over 1500

From my very first phone call, to dealing with all their ppl along the way with negotiations and showings was fantastic.

Highly recommend.
Nice! Hardest part would be telling my good friends wife we’re not going to use her services if we sell…

We like her…but even at her taking 1% it would be 13k in our pocket.

Checked the site and the buying agent gets 2.5% still so at least it won’t blacklist your house by the agents.
 
Listened to a mortgage association report this am , more investors than homeowners have been seeking (and getting) mortgages in the last 12 months .
So the talk that it is investors driving up prices makes sense , since they are the ones getting mortgages.
There are a lot of people with more than 1 property.


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A friend of neighbour thing. They sold their house and rented a town house a year or so back as they felt the bubble was about to pop. They were going to snag a deal and move up for free.

Options? Buy back in with a smaller house or the same or bigger with a bigger mortgage. Middle aged + big mortgage = Not good. What if the market tanks just as they buy?

Day trading mentality with your house isn't a good idea.
 
A friend of neighbour thing. They sold their house and rented a town house a year or so back as they felt the bubble was about to pop. They were going to snag a deal and move up for free.

Options? Buy back in with a smaller house or the same or bigger with a bigger mortgage. Middle aged + big mortgage = Not good. What if the market tanks just as they buy?

Day trading mentality with your house isn't a good idea.

Depends.

Did they leave the proceeds of their house sale in cash, or did they put it in another financial instrument?

Equity is equity. Real estate is not the only appreciating asset out there.

A rising tide lifts all ships. They may actually be doing a lot better than you think.
 
Depends.

Did they leave the proceeds of their house sale in cash, or did they put it in another financial instrument?

Equity is equity. Real estate is not the only appreciating asset out there.

A rising tide lifts all ships. They may actually be doing a lot better than you think.
True but a lot of people see RE as the safe ship. They don't have the stones to put their 1M in equities as they can't stomach seeing it go down occasionally (especially when the dip may coincide with their need to withdraw to purchase another house). People like the stability of money in the bank but that isn't nearly as stable as they think (between inflation and missed opportunity for growth, their safe path almost guarantees they are in the position they thought they were going to prevent). I would consider a safe investment like a GIC pretty much the same as cash. The world runs away from you.
 
True but a lot of people see RE as the safe ship. They don't have the stones to put their 1M in equities as they can't stomach seeing it go down occasionally (especially when the dip may coincide with their need to withdraw to purchase another house). People like the stability of money in the bank but that isn't nearly as stable as they think (between inflation and missed opportunity for growth, their safe path almost guarantees they are in the position they thought they were going to prevent). I would consider a safe investment like a GIC pretty much the same as cash. The world runs away from you.
They apparently are sweating so I assume they went with low risk, low reward, taxable investments.
 
Listened to a mortgage association report this am , more investors than homeowners have been seeking (and getting) mortgages in the last 12 months .
So the talk that it is investors driving up prices makes sense , since they are the ones getting mortgages.
There are a lot of people with more than 1 property.


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I believe this, a YouTube ad popped up yesterday for KW real estate calling it a investment with huge returns
 
I believe this, a YouTube ad popped up yesterday for KW real estate calling it a investment with huge returns

This is exactly why adding more RE to the pool won't benefit potential homeowners.

They need to discourage investors, speculators and others looking to profit from RE.

This needs to be done via foreign ownership policies, capital gains taxes, increased scrutiny and harsher punishment for money laundering and tax evasion, increasing interest rates... all the things we don't see being touched upon at all today.
 
I’m all for diversification, but if I had a mil not tied up , I would buy a townhouse around here and rent it for a couple years and dump it .
Xxx holdings Ltd , would not make a penny in those three yrs. Some eventual CG tax , ok I’ll pay that .


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Listened to a mortgage association report this am , more investors than homeowners have been seeking (and getting) mortgages in the last 12 months .
So the talk that it is investors driving up prices makes sense , since they are the ones getting mortgages.
There are a lot of people with more than 1 property.


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Investors have about 22% of the market, that hasn't changed much from the info I can see. A lot of that investment is into MDUs for income.


This is exactly why adding more RE to the pool won't benefit potential homeowners.

They need to discourage investors, speculators and others looking to profit from RE.

This needs to be done via foreign ownership policies, capital gains taxes, increased scrutiny and harsher punishment for money laundering and tax evasion, increasing interest rates... all the things we don't see being touched upon at all today.
Adding houses will benefit new homeowners. It's simply a supply and demand issue. When there is adequate house and rental stock, the primary force that increase prices are removed. Speculators will always be there looking for a fast buck when real estate is inflating, they drop like flies when supply approaches demand.

I do agree there are a few things Canada should do to close the massive benefits investors (speculators) can reap.

1) Capital gains exemption.
  • This is often abused, speculators who rent or flip homes are not entitled to tax free treatment. Many claim this exemption when they are not entitled to it. CRA should tighten enforcement and penalties on this. We have Crimestopper's snitch line for crimes in the community, CRA should have one for real estate cheaters - I'd love a $2000 reward for informing on tax cheats.
  • CRA should only allow CapX exemption to citizens. Eliminate the exemption for all PR and foreign investors.
  • Lengthen the hold period to 1 year.
  • Add a line to ones TAX filings that has the tax roll number for the primary residence occupied for that tax year.
2) Tax unoccupied homes. Municipalities should levy a $30/day tax on homes that are unoccupied (exceptions to houses with building permits or condemned status.
 
Investors show on paper as 22% , I suspect that number is a bit higher in “ undisclosed “ investment


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Depends.

Did they leave the proceeds of their house sale in cash, or did they put it in another financial instrument?

Equity is equity. Real estate is not the only appreciating asset out there.

A rising tide lifts all ships. They may actually be doing a lot better than you think.
Whenever I hear that saying I always like to remind people that that refers only to the seaworthy ones.
 
Whenever I hear that saying I always like to remind people that that refers only to the seaworthy ones.

It doesn't have to be seaworthy.

As long as it floats. There are a lot of garbage stocks and run-down houses going for a lot more than they are worth in a bubble economy.

A rising tide lifts driftwood and debris as well.
 
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Adding houses will benefit new homeowners. It's simply a supply and demand issue. When there is adequate house and rental stock, the primary force that increase prices are removed. Speculators will always be there looking for a fast buck when real estate is inflating, they drop like flies when supply approaches demand.

Not if the barrier-to-entry is still so high that only foreign investors and deep-pocketed speculators are allowed to participate.

If they increased the supply of Rolls Royces, doesn't mean everyone on the block will have one in the garage.

There needs to be a correction in the market, and increasing supply is not going to fix that. More needs to be done to identify the buyer from someone who intends to live in the home and someone who intend to make a buck from it, and favoring the former while penalizing the latter.
 
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Not if the barrier-to-entry is still so high that only foreign investors and speculators are allowed to participate.
The barrier to home ownerships have always been high, perhaps not as high as they have been the last 2 years.
If they increased the supply of Rolls Royces, doesn't mean everyone on the block will have one in the garage.

There needs to be a correction in the market, and increasing supply is not going to fix that. More needs to be done to identify the buyer from someone who intends to live in the home and someone who intend to make a buck from it, and favoring the former while penalizing the latter.
Thing is we're not talking about luxury items like Rollers, they are not a commodity that is supply and demand driven. We're talking about houses - they are supply & demand driven.

Increases in supply does fix prices. Speculator and investor interest is quelled when supply meets demand as the opportunity for capital gain diminishes. They're out -- remember investors want the money, they don't fall in love with the 'home' like a homeowner.

Increase in interest rates does put downward pressure on selling prices, but it doesn't change the barrier to entry as the carrying costs don't change. There is also a risk that hiking interest rates will drive investors toward less expensive entry level homes, which increases the challenge for first time buyers.

I wouldn't bet on a correction of any great magnitude. Too many things have to go wrong in the economy and too many things have to go right on the supply side for that to happen. If a correction does happen, I'd bet on a quick recovery AND less affordability 36 mos later. When basic houses cost $250-300'sq to build, builders stop building - back into a supply issue.

There are a lot of things pressuring house prices. Investors, speculators, tax cheaters do make houses more expensive -- but in the great scheme of things I'm not so sure their impact is is all that great. They are the easiest to blame. I put the blame on gov't - inadequate taxing, rules favoring cheating, and a mish mash or regulation and red tape that adds cost and complexity to development and redevelopment.

If the GTA had a master plan with uniform zoning rules it would be easier to get the stock of housing increased quickly. Look at Markham's Cornell and Markham Center as examples. Cornell was built in 12 years and has about 6,000 homes, Markham center 10 years and has about 20,000 homes. Both have excellent infrastructure, transit, surface road and highway access, both have lots of outdoor space and they each have an energy district that efficiently heats and cools millions of sq feet, reducing the need for every building to have furnaces A/C. Do that again on the fringe North Pickering airport lands, docklands, Milton, Ajax and you could build a gazillion integrated and planned communities. That would get closer to fixing the supply side problem.
 
The barrier to home ownerships have always been high, perhaps not as high as they have been the last 2 years.

Thing is we're not talking about luxury items like Rollers, they are not a commodity that is supply and demand driven. We're talking about houses - they are supply & demand driven.

Increases in supply does fix prices. Speculator and investor interest is quelled when supply meets demand as the opportunity for capital gain diminishes. They're out -- remember investors want the money, they don't fall in love with the 'home' like a homeowner.

Increase in interest rates does put downward pressure on selling prices, but it doesn't change the barrier to entry as the carrying costs don't change. There is also a risk that hiking interest rates will drive investors toward less expensive entry level homes, which increases the challenge for first time buyers.

I wouldn't bet on a correction of any great magnitude. Too many things have to go wrong in the economy and too many things have to go right on the supply side for that to happen. If a correction does happen, I'd bet on a quick recovery AND less affordability 36 mos later. When basic houses cost $250-300'sq to build, builders stop building - back into a supply issue.

There are a lot of things pressuring house prices. Investors, speculators, tax cheaters do make houses more expensive -- but in the great scheme of things I'm not so sure their impact is is all that great. They are the easiest to blame. I put the blame on gov't - inadequate taxing, rules favoring cheating, and a mish mash or regulation and red tape that adds cost and complexity to development and redevelopment.

If the GTA had a master plan with uniform zoning rules it would be easier to get the stock of housing increased quickly. Look at Markham's Cornell and Markham Center as examples. Cornell was built in 12 years and has about 6,000 homes, Markham center 10 years and has about 20,000 homes. Both have excellent infrastructure, transit, surface road and highway access, both have lots of outdoor space and they each have an energy district that efficiently heats and cools millions of sq feet, reducing the need for every building to have furnaces A/C. Do that again on the fringe North Pickering airport lands, docklands, Milton, Ajax and you could build a gazillion integrated and planned communities. That would get closer to fixing the supply side problem.
Corrections don't hit the modest homes as hard as the luxury stuff. If someone can't keep up on their mega mansion they move down a peg. When you're in 1200 SF there aren't many lower pegs that are worth the effort once moving costs are taken into account.

The size of money supply is something new to me. If there is that much money out there, it might be enough for many to weather the storm. The small fix and flip types could get stuck in a declining market.
 
I think you’ll find there is a metric crap ton of money around , in select pockets .
Lots of the McMansion people are 2-300k per yr income, they may not get new patio furniture, but they aren’t loosing the house .
200k combined people , he gets sick , she isn’t carrying the house . There are lots of them also .


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