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From the uk...story developing so I just have a kind of breaking news thing but if this is true it should get more airtime...

1/3 of patients admitted to UK hospitals for Coronavirus died. This equates to approximately the same figure as for Ebola (35-40% of patients admitted to hospital for ebola die). A professor calls it a very dangerous disease and that people need to hear this.

I can’t find this anywhere except the live news update on BBC though.
 
jc100 said:
From the uk...story developing so I just have a kind of breaking news thing but if this is true it should get more airtime...

1/3 of patients admitted to UK hospitals for Coronavirus died. This equates to approximately the same figure as for Ebola (35-40% of patients admitted to hospital for ebola die). A professor calls it a very dangerous disease and that people need to hear this.

I can’t find this anywhere except the live news update on BBC though.
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That would be very bad news for everyone. I haven't seen anything like that...or heard anything close to those numbers here. But unfortunately the numbers can be messed around with so much who knows where the truth lies. Curious about the demographic of the 1/3 though. Is that from all groups? Or 1/3 of a certain age group? Definitely curious.
 
The potus will dismiss it as fake news.
 
jc100 said:
From the uk...story developing so I just have a kind of breaking news thing but if this is true it should get more airtime...

1/3 of patients admitted to UK hospitals for Coronavirus died.
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I'd be interested to read that story.

To clarify,

- The overwhelming majority of Covid cases do not end up in hospitals at all to begin with.
- A very large percentage of cases that do end up in the hospital do not result in people being in the ICU on ventilators, but just more traditional supportive care.

Only those who end up in ICU's and on vents end up with high fatality rates, so I'd be surprised if even the overall number of "admittances" versus "vented in the ICU" numbers still resulted in a 30% overall death rate of "anyone who walks in the door of a hospital".

One thing is sure however, once you're vented, your chances of survival do go down considerably (NYC had a 90% death rate for some time), but on that front there's much debate happening right now (I made a post on this earlier in the thread) about the use of ventilators being reconsidered in many scenarios. That is still in play.
 
PrivatePilot said:
I'd be interested to read that story.

To clarify,

- The overwhelming majority of Covid cases do not end up in hospitals at all to begin with.
- A very large percentage of cases that do end up in the hospital do not result in people being in the ICU on ventilators, but just more traditional supportive care.

Only those who end up in ICU's and on vents end up with high fatality rates, so I'd be surprised if even the overall number of "admittances" versus "vented in the ICU" numbers still resulted in a 30% overall death rate of "anyone who walks in the door of a hospital".

One thing is sure however, once you're vented, your chances of survival do go down considerably (NYC had a 90% death rate for some time), but on that front there's much debate happening right now (I made a post on this earlier in the thread) about the use of ventilators being reconsidered in many scenarios. That is still in play.
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the item references “crude hospital numbers” whatever those are. I’ll need to find this report though. I think there must be some context that’s missing in the story.
 
Here’s the news item...

The biggest study of Covid-19 patients in the UK shows a third admitted to hospital have died.

Just under half have been discharged, with the rest still being treated.

Prof Calum Semple, the chief investigator from the University of Liverpool, said the "crude hospital fatality rate is of the same magnitude as Ebola".

He said around 35-40% of hospitalised Ebola patients die.

"People need to hear this... this is an incredibly dangerous disease."

Nearly 17,000 patients from 166 hospitals were part of the study. Obesity and age both increased the risk of death.

The study also confirmed that men are more likely to have severe disease, and the gap between outcomes for men and women gets wider with age.
 
Can you post a link to the source? The source sometimes is the deciding factor between it being legitimate news with proper citations, or a hack job to fit someones political viewpoints.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Can you post a link to the source? The source sometimes is the deciding factor between it being legitimate news with proper citations, or a hack job to fit someones political viewpoints.
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main BBC news site with the live news feed, partway down the page. It’s not really a link, just a running feed.
 
Click on the headline “half of world workforce.....” then you’ll see the feed of all stories as they develop.
 
jc100 said:
From the uk...story developing so I just have a kind of breaking news thing but if this is true it should get more airtime...

1/3 of patients admitted to UK hospitals for Coronavirus died. This equates to approximately the same figure as for Ebola (35-40% of patients admitted to hospital for ebola die). A professor calls it a very dangerous disease and that people need to hear this.

I can’t find this anywhere except the live news update on BBC though.
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I think the difference is that a very small percentage of COVID patients need hospitilazation compared to 100% for Ebola (you can't tough out Ebola at home).

For 20 year olds, 1% require hospitalization and a death rate of 3/1000. That rises gradually to 19% hospitalization and a death rate of 8/100 of for those over 80.

When you boil it down to basics, population over 50 and those with compromised health have 5% chance of dying from the disease providing treatment is available. Since the disease is wildly contagious, uncontrolled it will overwhelm health care systems and the death rate could skyrocket due to in-availability of treatment.
 
On a different front, here's a particularly interesting article well worth the read:

www.scientificamerican.com

How the COVID-19 Pandemic Could End

Recent epidemics provide clues to ways the current crisis could stop
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

And this is pretty darned good news if it pans out...which is looking quite hopeful.

www.telegraph.co.uk

University of Oxford Covid-19 vaccine: everything we know so far

A million doses of their experimental coronavirus vaccine could be ready as early as September, Oxford scientists say
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

And this is just starting to break right now. Not a cure, but a treatment which could be a very positive situation as well:

 
jc100 said:
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Prof Calum Semple, the chief investigator from the University of Liverpool, said the "crude hospital fatality rate is of the same magnitude as Ebola".
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Have to wonder if the word "crude" was actually suppose to read accrued.
 
Iceman said:
What license did you get and what field are you looking in?

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Ended up taking your advice and getting my G3 and ODP to get into hvac
 
Hmm I think they might announce what might happen to the rest of the school year. Number of new cases also still high compared to other provinces.
toronto.ctvnews.ca

Ontario expands list of essential workers who can access free child care. Here's who qualifies

The Ontario government has expanded its list of essential workers who are eligible for free emergency child care during the COVID-19 outbreak.
toronto.ctvnews.ca

Also not great news:
toronto.ctvnews.ca

Toronto's SickKids Hospital declares COVID-19 outbreak

The Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto has declared a COVID-19 outbreak.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
 
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2 kids at SickKids, 4 people in Milton hospital , 2 on vents 2 in ICU, Oakville had 4 in hospital Monday, 2 discharged to home quarantine, none on vents.
The numbers are very good considering. Now to keep it that way.

The bigger part the media is missing , or ignoring, once you need to be in ICU, and then onto a ventilator your in grim shape. You can and may recover but the odds have gone WAY up your done. Which puts stats on died in hospital over the top. Hundreds test positive, are sent home and wait it out. You can skew these numbers anyway you want to make the story fit your narrative.
 
crankcall said:
2 kids at SickKids, 4 people in Milton hospital , 2 on vents 2 in ICU, Oakville had 4 in hospital Monday, 2 discharged to home quarantine, none on vents.
The numbers are very good considering. Now to keep it that way.

The bigger part the media is missing , or ignoring, once you need to be in ICU, and then onto a ventilator your in grim shape. You can and may recover but the odds have gone WAY up your done. Which puts stats on died in hospital over the top. Hundreds test positive, are sent home and wait it out. You can skew these numbers anyway you want to make the story fit your narrative.
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the thing with sick kids, a lot of the kids in there are already knocking on the door
 
lucky2 said:
not good news, 2 cases now at sick kids
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If there's one place i trust people to wash their hands it's at sick kids... i had to spend just under a month in NICU there and lordy...the hand cleaning is serious business there. It's not as severe in other wards but they're still on your case.
 
lucky2 said:
the thing with sick kids, a lot of the kids in there are already knocking on the door
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The kid was in oncology/hemo. Kid, both parents and at least one staff member tested positive, more results coming. Was the vector staff or parents? I dont know if they will ever figure that out. That's why birthing wards that are allowing fathers in dont allow them to leave and re-enter. Every trip through the doors adds risk. I dont know the right way to deal with this in kids with chronic illness. One parent stays in the hospital for the duration, the other does video calls? Tough spot and no good answers.
 
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